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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:16 pm

Well, it's official. Airgunning has now become as much of a hobby to me as spudgunning is. I don't find this a bad thing, though, as the two are pretty much mutually related.

Anywho, my Crosman carbine isn't even done, and I'm already looking at a new gun.

I plan to get a Crosman 2260 rifle. I've never owned a CO<sub>2</sub> gun before in my life, (aside from paintball guns), and I'm pretty much open to see what it does. I plan to get the base model, install a blued-steel breech on it, and a 3-9X40 scope. I'm able to hit 2-liters at around 100 yards with my multi-pump Benji, so I'm interested to see what a slightly more consistent gun can do.

Here's a picture of the base gun.

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Another interesting thing I might like to do with it is give the stock a rainbowish finish. I'm thinking of a design somewhere between these two pictures below.

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Probably will be a while, though. I need money.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:48 am

Air-gunning isn't a hobby, it's a serious affliction that claims new victims every day.

You should not open the package containing said 2260. You should immediately send it to me in the hopes that a cure can be found.

I speak from experience, being one of the "afflicted". :lol:

Congrats on your new "illness".

Gotta love those laminated stocks.
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:09 am

I've never been one for Co2, I own and regularly use compressed air (250bar) and spring guns. I did at one point own a Co2 powered gun to see how well it faired against compressed air and spring guns. The performance was crap to put it nicely, the gun was sold shortly afterwards and the money used to buy a different Co2 airgun. Same results, crap.

Co2 costs money for less performance.
Compressed air is free but it's hard work pumping.
Spring guns are the best, but there's no chance of a multishot springer.
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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:24 am

MaxuS the 2nd wrote:Spring guns are the best, but there's no chance of a multishot springer.


I dunno. If any of the airgunning companies would be open enough to allow solid-propellants in some of the designs, I see no problem with a multi-shot springer.

I was thinking PCP at first, but I don't have the cash for that. Either I get a really cheap one that I have to get filled at an HPA fill station, (none even close), or spend extra $$$ on a floor pump. The cheapest I've seen so far was the Discovery, and that's still too steep for my budget at the moment, whereas the 2260 would only total out at a little more than 100 dollars once I replaced the breech and refinished the stock.

Gippeto, my illness has been chronic ever since I was a child. I must have gotten AIDS recently, though, so it's taking more of a toll now. :P
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:26 pm

Yeah, but I was referring to the fact that you have to re-cock the action every shot, so you might aswell put another pellet in the breech at the same time.

It's definately worth saving for, a PCP gun that is. I have a pump, and that really isn't cheap £120 ($240) but it's totally worth it. It would end up paying for itself in a year or two because you would'nt have to pay a bean for a refill, just the pellets, but you have to purchase those anyway.

Think about it. :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:36 pm

Actually, MaxuS, I have thought about it.

I get a check in about a week or two worth $440.

I have also been looking at a Crosman/Benji. Discovery 0.22 PCP rifle.

While I would love for it to have a higher operating pressure, (after all, I am not a "wispy teenager"!), I like the fact that it comes with a pump. Hopefully it's not a cheap one, either.

I'll think about it some more. There's nothing that I hate more than split-second decisions on what to do with 400 dollars. :wink: :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:59 pm

A PCP is the wise man's choice.

I'm sure you will make a wise decision. :D



You will thank yourself in a few years when you upgrade and come to sell this PCP. Words simply cannot describe the frustration in attempting to sell a Co2 powered gun, nobody wants one. I had to settle on less thn half of what I originally paid for it, even though it was still in perfect condition.


Edit: I've just realised that the same airgun you posted a picture of in your first post is a 2260, guess which gun I had the pleasure of owning.

Edit Again: I also had the unfortunate pleasure of owning two of these.
http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1312 Which were also crap.
Anyway, my rant of Co2 powered gas guns is over, I'm quite sure many people now know what I think of them. :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:55 pm

markfh11q wrote:I'm interested to see what a slightly more consistent gun can do.


I think you'll find that CO<sub>2</sub> airguns are anything but consistent, they're very much affected by changes in temperature - for example, keep the 12 gram capsule in your pocket for a few minutes before firing, you'll see a distinct increase in performance.

I agree that PCPs are the way to go, you can get pneumatic conversions for Crosman and similar models, so it needn't break the bank either.

Also agreed that it's an addiction :s

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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:29 am

I recognize all except that bottom gun.

And here in Louisiana, the temperature favors CO<sub>2</sub> a lot better than in most places. We get a constant 94 degrees in the summer, just about, and right now the temperature hovers constantly around 80 degrees. For the first half-life of the CO<sub>2</sub> cartridge, it will provide pretty consistent performance. My friend's shooting on par with his scores in 3-position on Avantis using a Crosman CO<sub>2</sub> entry-level match gun, as well. I quit 3-position earlier this year. Not that I was bad at it or anything, (got the highest score out of our school in Sophomore year at a little over 200), it just is boring.

But, I'm still considering the Discovery. If I do get one, it'll be the 0.22 version with an included pump. Tax return's still not in yet, so I don't have enough money at the moment. Looking around on the Crosman forums, I've seen average chrony results at around 800 fps with ~11.odd grain pellets. With that velocity and the increased kinetic energy, I should be able to start playing a mean field target, which I have been trying to get into after quitting 3-position. I could also sneak the sucker into our school's cheapo shooting range if I decided to give 3-position a shot with it. I don't know if the 1/4" plywood barriers and thin steel backstops could handle an 800 fps 0.22 pellet, though. :roll:

And yes, I know Weihrauch sells a PCP, Jack! I've looked at them, there's no need to post pictures, conveniently forgetting to mention the price! :wink: For that amount of money, I could sell my truck, add to the the ~1200 dollars the Weihrauch costs, and put a down payment on a new car!
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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:40 am

Don’t get a 2260, it’s got a plastic trigger group.
The 2250, as much as I hate that style of gun, is a much better gun; I’ve seen 30yd groups that you could hide under a dime from a stock 2250.

Jack, if I hade the money for one of them Weihrauchs, I’d buy me a Garand, or a half-auto-only Browning M1919 and an A6 kit, or a nice old truck, or a nice old truck and the stuff to convert it to steam, or at the vary least the steam engine to convert a truck to steam…
No, I think I’d get a Garand and a few thousand rounds.

True I couldn’t shoot the Garand in my back yard, but I couldn’t shoot a Weihrauch in my back yard either.

I like airguns, but I prefer the sweet, sulfuric, smell of burnt black powder in the morning and the smell of smokeless is like a field of wild flowers to me. :D

Lets not change the subject though, this thread is on airguns, let’s not forget that.

We had a 1077 once, a Co2 repeating rifle, it was a piece of junk, it leaked a lot and shots were so inconsistent it wasn’t funny.
I’ve got a Daisy 15xt, and it’s fairly consistent, but if you shoot it fast it becomes inconsistent.

I’d say forget the 2260, save up your money and get a Discovery, I’ve heard nothing but good about them, even heard of one compared to a Weihrauch, the guy said they shot about the same.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:02 am

markfh11q wrote:I recognize all except that bottom gun


Surely you've seen it before?

I've fired the HW100 PCP, it's a decent rifle but for the money you can buy better PCPs
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Unread postAuthor: elitesniper » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:14 am

Whoa jsr, you have a pretty awesome collection there. :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:04 pm

Yeah, now I remember it. I didn't at first.

judgment arms, I wasn't considering the Discovery until I found my $440 "floating around", (in the form of a tax return... Winn-Dixie takes out full state and federal taxes from my paycheck every month). While I do agree that tax returns are bad, (that's money the government is using that could have been in your pocket the whole time), the money came at a convenient time.

I believe I am going to buy the Discovery. I was good on money in the first place, (good enough to get the Discovery in about two weeks of saving), but the tax return leaves me no excuse. I'm gonna go ahead and get the Discovery in 0.22. I was flirting with the idea of the 0.177 model, but decided the 0.22 would be much better overall for what I'm gonna do with it, (some field target, maybe 0.22 rimfire 3-position, of course the 50-yard sitting rimfire, some light hunting, pest control, and plinking). 800 fps isn't bad for a 0.22, and with Crosman Premiers I can hit 900 fps, (with a little decrease in kinetic energy).

So far, I have read (mostly) good reviews and have also read the blog by one of the guys who helped come up with the rifle. It seems to be a good gun for $400, and the pump doesn't leave me dependant on SCBA stations like other PCP's do.

Now I just have to sit patiently and wait for that check to come in.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:19 pm

looks interesting, but no mention of shots per fill, the chamber volume doesn't seem to be too extensive.

you have a pretty awesome collection there.


I've been buying one every year since I was 18, there's several thousands of dollars there.
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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:26 pm

Ahh Jack, you're not looking in the right places. That sight looks like some fanboy's shrine to his can-killer, if you don't mind me saying. :P

Much better information can be had:

Here (Part one)
Here (Part two)
And here (Part three)

Make sure to read the articles in entirety! This guy has been shipped prototypes of the Discovery ever since they came out!

The quoted shots per fill is around 35, but at 100 strokes per fill from empty, (35 shots will nowhere near drain the reservoir), it's easily topped off again with the pump.

EDIT: bad link.
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