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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:03 pm

mrbadexample wrote:why anyone would fire 0.2 gram BBs is beyond me. i prefer .177 lead pellets, one shot, one kill.

Perhaps because they don't want to kill what they're shooting at?

I can tell you, airsoft as a sport would fast be unpopular if you ended up with lead pellets embedded in your skin, and the police often have their reasons to take people down non-lethally - with 150 BBs a second pelting you, you'd be very, very, distracted.
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Unread postAuthor: ISA_Yoshi » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:19 pm

Using a BBMG with .177 cal pellets would take all of the fun out of airsoft. (except for the added realism that if you get shot you might actually die) If you're going to play the lethal way, why stop there? Why not go straight to real ammunition? It is a game you can only play once, though. (not really - didn't want to freak anyone out)

Anyway, that'd be the perfect time for the police to use either the Strafer MK4, M134, or the rifle this topic started with.

Ah...sweet, sweet irony. You never let us down. It's the circle of life... (breaks off into that Lion King song)

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Unread postAuthor: SEAKING9006 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:31 pm

Ragnarok wrote:
mrbadexample wrote:with 150 BBs a second pelting you, you'd be very, very, distracted.


Which is EXACTLY the reason that vortex and cloud guns were invented. :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:06 am

Ragnarok wrote:I can tell you, airsoft as a sport would fast be unpopular if you ended up with lead pellets embedded in your skin


That's how the SAS used to train ;)
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Unread postAuthor: i-will » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:03 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
Ragnarok wrote:I can tell you, airsoft as a sport would fast be unpopular if you ended up with lead pellets embedded in your skin


That's how the SAS used to train ;)


imagine the cost of the upgrades needed to push lead bbs from an aeg. that's pretty much a hunting air rifle. airsoft would be illegal everywhere and no fun at all. :|

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:59 am

i-will wrote:imagine the cost of the upgrades needed to push lead bbs from an aeg. that's pretty much a hunting air rifle. airsoft would be illegal everywhere and no fun at all. :|


My bad, it wasn't the SAS but the Jungle Warfare School set up by the British in Malaya. From the wiki article:

In addition to jungle discipline, field craft, and survival skills, special tactics such as combat tracking (first using native trackers), close-quarter fighting (tactics were developed by troopers protected only with fencing masks stalking and shooting each other in the jungle training ground with air rifles), small team operations (which led to the typical four-man special operations teams) and tree jumping (parachuting into the jungle and through the rain forest canopy) were developed to actively take the war to the Communist guerrillas instead of reacting to incidents initiated by them. Of greater importance was the integration of the tactical jungle warfare with the strategic "winning hearts and minds" psychological, economic and political warfare as a complete counter-insurgency package.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:33 am

would a bbmg work with stainless steel or lead BBs ? BtB has been using .117 lead BBs... so are 6mm BBs really too heavy ?
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:42 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:would a bbmg work with stainless steel or lead BBs ? BtB has been using .117 lead BBs... so are 6mm BBs really too heavy ?


If you can generate enough flow, why not. Not as easy to source as airsoft BBs however...
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:16 am

(tactics were developed by troopers protected only with fencing masks stalking and shooting each other in the jungle training ground with air rifles),

Not for wimps or pussys! :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:20 am

Gippeto wrote:Not for wimps or pussys! :wink:


Indeed, back in the day before all this health and safety bull excrement :roll: :D
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:05 am

hmmm... a BBMG firing lead BBs and running on unregged CO2 (or HPA) could be regarded as a PDW weapon...

BTW has anyone tried using ammo bigger than BBs ? I've heard about Spudfarm's plans to build a marble MG but AFAIK he hasn't started to work on it yet
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:54 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:hmmm... a BBMG firing lead BBs and running on unregged CO2 (or HPA) could be regarded as a PDW weapon...


A very short range one however, BBMGs rely on a concentrated volume of relatively low powered shots for damage and as range increases, so does shot dispersal and therefore effectiveness. I'd rather have a firearm like the P90, it would also be a lot less bulky without an HPA tank hanging off it.

BTW has anyone tried using ammo bigger than BBs ? I've heard about Spudfarm's plans to build a marble MG but AFAIK he hasn't started to work on it yet


There were several marble MGs here and on spudtech, and if I'm not mistaken DR had built a golf ball MG too.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:07 pm

@ jsr I meant marble vortex\cloud guns
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:16 pm

POLAND_SPUD wrote:@ jsr I meant marble vortex\cloud guns

Indeed, DR did make a Marble Cloud:
http://www.spudfiles.com/spudtech_archi ... php?t=8085
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Unread postAuthor: psycix » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:08 pm

The point with clouds is the low efficiency and thus the great waste of air. On top of that, cannons with a high ROF simply need alot of air because they fire alot of rounds, and every shot needs its own air.
So because of the high ROF in combination with the high amount of air needed for one shot, you need one hell of an airflow already for low calibres as BBs.

When working with marbles you would need an unimaginably large air supply (like an industrial big-ass compressor).
You COULD build an golf-ball cloud, but then again, one would need a compressor or air resevoir as large as a small house.
So if you happen to have a nuclear powered air compressor, go ahead and cloud those watermelons! :D
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