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Unread postAuthor: PVC Arsenal 17 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:09 pm

Hopefully this isn't a repost but this came up as an ad on facebook: http://air-ordnance.com/index.php?osCsi ... 536135712c

Reminds me of that "Fully Automatic BB Machine Gun" that was in the works a while ago (IIRC one of their reps even posted about it here) but this one is actually in production.

It's expensive as hell ($550) but looks to be a quality machine based on the 98 design. Made by Tippmann, too.

Any thoughts?
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:40 pm

sweet.... sure it is expensive but I really really like those belts... they cost just 10$
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Unread postAuthor: inonickname » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:35 am

http://air-ordnance.com/images/pdf/Manu ... 536135712c

Specs and an exploded view there if you're interested.
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:48 am

Nifty.

Star gears pulling the belt in, hammer valve and some kind of feedback line which seems to recock using part of the gas released from the hammer.
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Unread postAuthor: ilovefire » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:46 am

that is one wicked looking gun! its about now that im really hating the laws against fully automatic guns in Au :(
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Unread postAuthor: PVC Arsenal 17 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:21 pm

Hotwired wrote:Nifty.

Star gears pulling the belt in, hammer valve and some kind of feedback line which seems to recock using part of the gas released from the hammer.


Looks like a Response Trigger.
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:05 pm

PVC Arsenal 17 wrote:
Hotwired wrote:Nifty.

Star gears pulling the belt in, hammer valve and some kind of feedback line which seems to recock using part of the gas released from the hammer.


Looks like a Response Trigger.


The line going back?

Well its described as controlling rate of fire in the manual. Describe what you're meaning?
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:54 pm

Reminds me of the mags used in the Anics series, though they are a continuous loop and cycled by the trigger.

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The subject of this thread however can theoretically use belts as long as the user can afford, nice.

I really really like those belts... they cost just 10$


Ditto, has potential for a homebuild design.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbOCyMEFhyo[/youtube]

Looks like a pain to reload though, took him 10 seconds to dump the 100 round belt. I get frustrated loading 12 rounds in the Monsoon mag :roll:

Not as cool but this conversion (basically a hopper and detent) is a damn sight cheaper, though it can't be used for pellets.

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Unread postAuthor: django » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:10 am

Jesus Christ check this demo out,I wouldnt want that firing at me LOL!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKr1ojaaT0Y&feature=related[/youtube]


FPS TEST ( sounds like gas leaking in this one!?)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN530tL6yU4&feature=related[/youtube]
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Unread postAuthor: PVC Arsenal 17 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:40 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
I really really like those belts... they cost just 10$


Ditto, has potential for a homebuild design.


Can't argue with that. It's so tempting to build a beltfed gun with a simple electronic star gear indexing system, but even if I wanted to I couldn't. Given the caliber and intended ammo, an airgun like this is considered a firearm where I live. And therefore it's illegal for a citizen to manufacture a receiver himself. Even if I could, there's a 15 round cap on all forms of ammo feeding systems, belts included. Fun is outlawed in the People's Republic of New Jersey. At least they still let me put a bayonet on my shotgun. :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:26 am

django wrote:Jesus Christ check this demo out, I wouldn't want that firing at me LOL!!


Typical demonstration intended for the velocity mad US public, velocity figures given with no reference to pellet weight.

Assuming a medium weight 16 grain pellet (which it probably isn't), that's less than 11 foot pounds of muzzle energy for a velocity of 550 feet per second, not impressive in airgun terms (except of course you have 100 rounds + on tap!)

Also, the variation in velocity is quite dramatic, though of course this isn't intended for target shooting so it hardly matters.

It's so tempting to build a beltfed gun with a simple electronic star gear indexing system, but even if I wanted to I couldn't


Surely you can make something likethis?
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Unread postAuthor: Gaderelguitarist » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:03 am

It seems to be a design trade off, losing power for rof. Still very cool, and I could see a star eyed youth wanting this very badly. That target shooting demonstration is probably at a maximum range of ten feet. Loading the belt would be a royal PITA. From the pictures in the manual, the quick loading tool is two blocks of oak. Fancy fancy.

I could see someone with machining capabilities building something similar to this with the intent to bring power into priority. The Ajax Razorfang (previously posted) has not only the capability to adjust rate of fire, but they seem to be planning a less powerfull "international" model.
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