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Unread postAuthor: A-98 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:56 pm

ok, as is i have a Gamo Delta pellet rifle, but ive had it for 3 years, and im starting to get tired of its 525 fps speed. which means in in the market for a new rifle.

my only guidelines are : ide like it to be .177 or .22, somewhere at about 1000fps, i kinda like break barrel single shot types, but ill take anything except co2, and ide like it to be less then or close to 150 usd. also, i kinda like fiberoptic sights, scopes are ok, bit i find they take a bit of the fun out of it. besides, i can always buy a scope later.

if anyone can offer a suggestion it would be appreciated.

2 guns that ive liked so far: crossman phantom1000 and crossman quest 1000

so id anyone has any suggestions about a good pellet rifle that sorta fits in my criteria, feel free to tell me
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Unread postAuthor: iPaintball » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:09 pm

Get the Phantom. It is extremely accurate and worth every penny. But, like Jacksmirkingrevenge will tell you, ANYTHING from Weihrauch is better than Crosman or Gamo, but Weihrauch's guns cost a lot more...
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Unread postAuthor: A-98 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:30 pm

yeah....sadly, the more it costs, the better it is (also applies to apple computers... :D ). also, its made in germany, and not only does the language sound awesome, but if involves building something, they build it good.

i was just looking at the gas spring one, and tho neat, a 500 something price tag is too hefty for me, especially given that ive already got some expensive things that im planning on buying.

@Da Pnue Kid, they both guns i posted are the same price, same FPS, but on has a 31 lb cocking force, and a wood stock. mmm...wood...tasty!

also, as for pellets, is there any specific pellets that you would suggest? i have looked thru, and knowing nothing about what they all do, except that i want spped and penetraction, i have found these, and i want to try out some of these, cause they look soo kick ass
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Unread postAuthor: A-98 » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:29 pm

anyone else? :cat:
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Unread postAuthor: pyrogeek » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:57 pm

This is a spudgun forum, with many threads about making air guns. Maybe you could build one? Thats what I'm doing, after I finish my motorized scooter.
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Unread postAuthor: Redcoat » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:32 am

well which ever one you get your a f*** load luckier than me. Austalia has the worst firearms laws (you can get pellet guns but you need shitloads of papers and airsoft is illegal).

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:28 am

I really really suggest you don't waste your money on cheap stuff and buy a weihrauch - if properly looked after, it will be something even your children will enjoy. I have two weihrauchs an HW45 and HW97 and they still shoot as beautifully as the day I bought them. I've had the 45 for 7 years now, the only maintenance i ever had to do was change the mainspring (which is normal wear and tear for springers) it only cost me about $20 for the spare and you can accomplish it with basic workshop tools (though you might need to make a spring compressor, very easy thing to knock up from a few blocks of wood and an old g-clamp - have a look here ).

They're heavy guns but extremely well engineered, you certainly get what you paid for - and there's a certain pride of ownership which you will not get from a Gamo or a Crosman.

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HW97 - I've had this for over 5 years now, never had any problems. i particularly like the stained beech stock and the integral suppressor, it's actually slightly quieter than the HW45 in spite of having more than twice the power.
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Unread postAuthor: pyromanic13 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:00 am

I'm buying a air rifle aswell.

is this any one good?
HW 35 Standard
http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/englisch/ ... _index.htm
I can't find the price...
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:48 am

the HW35 is a classic design but I doubt you'll find it for sale in the US as it achieves relatively low power, which is ideal for european markets where in many places muzzle energy for airguns is limited by law, but not for power-hungry America :)
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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:51 am

Don’t get the Phantom; Crossman’s synthetic stocks are china crap.
The Gamo Shadow1000 and the Quest are the same gun, except the Gamo’s made in span and the Quest is Chinese.

If it was me I’d get a Benjamin 392, I’d say they’re better than anything else on the market, simply because they’re made in the good ol’ U. S. of A.!
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Unread postAuthor: CpTn_lAw » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:34 am

Never use prometheus , skenco, or RWS super speed, neither PBA ammo for spring/piston air rifles. They Break the spirng, cause a lot of stress to all the main parts as they are extremely light. They are like a dry shot. I tested a box of 125 prometheus, after the box and 50 TS-10's, my spring broke.
So this is an advice...and you should take it serious. Gamo Pro-magnum or TS-10 are the most common pellets for 1000fps weapons...
here is a picture of speed by energy by pellet weight.
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Re: getting a pellet rifle.

Unread postAuthor: pyromaniac » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:40 am

A-98 wrote:ok, as is i have a Gamo Delta pellet rifle, but ive had it for 3 years, and im starting to get tired of its 525 fps speed. which means in in the market for a new rifle.


i fyour looking for speed i saw this remmington on there.http://www.pyramydair.com/p/remington-g ... ifle.shtml you'll have to spend an extra 20 though

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/remington-g ... ifle.shtml
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Re: getting a pellet rifle.

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:46 am

pyromaniac wrote:if you're looking for speed i saw this remmington on there.http://www.pyramydair.com/p/remington-g ... ifle.shtml you'll have to spend an extra 20 though


Don't believe the hype, pay no attention to velocity claims - what you want to know is muzzle energy in ft/lbs, not velocity in fps.

These rifles usually can do 1,000 fps, but with extremely lightweight pellets that are useless at anything beyong point-blank range and on a springer can actually damage your gun by not offering enough resistance to cushion the spring's impact.
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Unread postAuthor: A-98 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:57 pm

@CpTn_lAw. not knowing anything about french, im guessing that left is mass, top is pressure, and the right is-----?

@Jack, you seem like the most knowledgeable person when it comes to Weihrauch. which rifle would you suggest? if i need to i can generate enough money, but it will be WAY harder to convince my dad (took me a month to let me buy a 200 airsoft gun *sigh*)

ive been looking at the HW 77 and HW 57, my preference being for the 77. however, its damn expensive... ( for me atleast).

another issue is the cocking strength, which i cant find any info on. im 14, and not exactly the strongest person on earth. i do know that my current rifle is 21 lbs cocking force, and its easy, but i have no idea how hard 31 would be.

also, with the underlever cocking method, when you cock it does the breach open up? seems logical.

comparing the accuracy of underlever and break barrel, which comes out on top? it would seem that the under lever would be better, if only marginally.

finally, which pellet size should i use? im not much a hunting person, and mainly enjoy target practice/plinking. however, i do enjoy making big holes in things :D
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:16 pm

@CpTn_lAw. not knowing anything about french, im guessing that left is mass, top is pressure, and the right is-----?


top is energy in joules, right is velocity in metres per second.

@Jack, you seem like the most knowledgeable person when it comes to Weihrauch. which rifle would you suggest? if i need to i can generate enough money, but it will be WAY harder to convince my dad (took me a month to let me buy a 200 airsoft gun *sigh*)


It would be good to point out the "investment" value of buying a good gun in the first place.

ive been looking at the HW 77 and HW 57, my preference being for the 77. however, its damn expensive... ( for me atleast).


The HW97 I have is almost exactly like the 77, only there's a small integral silencer (not really that important on a springer where most of the noise comes from the piston, not the muzzle blast) and the stock is optimised for scope use with a higher cheekpiece. If you're of a small build the HW57 is probably a better idea for you as it's lighter that the 77/97. I would recommend at the very least a 4x32 scope as it makes shooting out to 50 yards on 1 inch targets an acceptable proposition

another issue is the cocking strength, which i cant find any info on. im 14, and not exactly the strongest person on earth. i do know that my current rifle is 21 lbs cocking force, and its easy, but i have no idea how hard 31 would be.


Even the weakest of my friends managed to cock the 97 easily, I couldn't worry about that

also, with the underlever cocking method, when you cock it does the breach open up? seems logical.


yep. In the case of the HW57, the breech pops up.

comparing the accuracy of underlever and break barrel, which comes out on top? it would seem that the under lever would be better, if only marginally.


In the "old days", underlevers were considered to be much more accurate due to some play in the break-barrel's fittings, but modern high manufacturing standards (especially with a brand like Weihrauch) mean that this isn't really an issue anymore.

finally, which pellet size should i use? im not much a hunting person, and mainly enjoy target practice/plinking. however, i do enjoy making big holes in things :D


Ah, the age old 0.177 versus 0.22 debate. Look at it this way, the 0.22 obviously makes a bigger hole, but for the same power level the 0.177 flies much faster and therefore penetrates deeper. Also, by virtue of its high velocity, the 0.177 has a flatter trajectory and therefore drops less over distance and is easier to shoot accurately. It's down to personal preferences, both my Weihrauchs are 0.177s ;)
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