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Spudguns legal in New Zealand?

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Spudguns legal in New Zealand?

Unread postAuthor: Pyro_Boy » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:33 am

Are combustion Spudguns legal in nz.
If so on what grounds do you have to be 18 to pocess or something

please awnser

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Unread postAuthor: dirtyhippies » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:16 am

im from australia and they are illegel here but i still have one rofl
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Unread postAuthor: EatSpud!!! » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:11 am

in some states they are legal in australia. sadly not mine which make transporting them really hard.


However in newzealand you can have a pneumatic spud gun.
But u cant have a combustion gun without a liscence.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:22 am

Hey Pyro-Boy

Im From Auckland,NZ

the rules are as followed:
combustion:illegal max $4000 fine,even with gun licence they are illegal, no matter what.
Pneumatic:are classed as air rifles,need to be 16 with a gun licence,or 18 and over and then its legal,or you have to be under the direct supervison of a person older then 18.you can't use them to damage or fire them at public/government property or in public $1000 fine,so in other words you can only use them on your property

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Unread postAuthor: Aussieboy » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:25 am

So Pneumatic is illegal in Aus as well?
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Unread postAuthor: Recruit » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:54 am

Look at what McCrowley said they are legal if you are your on property
and are 16 with gun licence or 18 without licence, But the all important But
If you are being supervised by a person older then 18 your age does not matter.
But you still have to be on your property.
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Unread postAuthor: iminshull » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:49 am

this not true testntools were selling them thats cumbustion cannon you need a firearms licence because technically its a firearm i rang the firearms officer yesterday at manukau you cant use in public place otherwise it will get converskated where did you get the information about fines all he said was any dammage you pay for
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Unread postAuthor: Essohbe » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:35 pm

combustion:illegal max $4000 fine,even with gun licence they are illegal, no
matter what.
Pneumatic:are classed as air rifles,need to be 16 with a gun licence,or 18 and over and then its legal,or you have to be under the direct supervison of a person older then 18.you can't use them to damage or fire them at public/government property or in public $1000 fine,so in other words you can only use them on your property


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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:59 pm

iminshull wrote:this not true testntools were selling them thats cumbustion cannon you need a firearms licence because technically its a firearm i rang the firearms officer yesterday at manukau you cant use in public place otherwise it will get converskated where did you get the information about fines all he said was any dammage you pay for
Well I wrote that 6 years ago so I've learnt a bit since then, still our situation isn't great. It'd help if you spoke coherent English so I could understand you better too.

The information about the fines would have come from the possible offences one could be convicted of for using a combustion spudgun in public. As testntools states, a firearm is the minimum licence required to own a combustion spudgun. However, a combustion spudgun could still fall under a dangerous weapon so you have to be cautious about not only firearm laws that apply to it but also laws that apply to something that can be used as a weapon. Here are some paraphrased laws from memory that you have to be careful about: improper use of a firearm, using a firearm in public, using a firearm so that it annoys or disturbs neighbours, damaging public property, unlawful use of a firearm, unlawful possession of a firearm, not storing a firearm safely, using a firearm whilst intoxicated, etc.

If you're convicted of some of those offences, you can face a $4000 fine and/or a 6 month prison sentence IIRC. Since a combustion isn't a proper gun, you could easily be caught committing a firearm offence that you wouldn't think applied to a PVC cannon such as driving around with a combustion cannon in your car.

Basically, don't use a combustion cannon in public... ever (even if you have a firearms licence). If you use it on private property, don't do so in a neighbourhood and check with your neighbours first. If you damage private or public property or your neighbours complain, the police would legally have the right to search your house for other firearms if you have a firearms licence. IIRC, in the Arms Code it stipulates that the police may search your house without a warrant (but with just cause) if you have a firearms licence and they have reason to believe you are using a firearm unlawfully.

Thus, with or without a firearms licence you are subject to firearm-related laws and can easily be charged with multiple firearm offences for being caught with a combustion spudgun even if you are on private property. Having a firearms licence probably helps a bit, but I can see many ways for a police officer having a bad day to charge you with offences even if you have a licence and are on private property.

I've also learnt that the air gun laws aren't so black and white either. Apparently, the police reserve the right to treat certain air guns as firearms or a dangerous weapon if they see fit. So while a pneumatic cannon technically falls under the air gun laws and can be used without a licence if you're over 18, the police can probably charge you with firearm-related, or dangerous weapon related, offences if your air gun is particularly dangerous (a golf ball gun probably qualifies).

For example, I was told this by a local arms officer: "If your airgun is precharged from a dive tank or similar then it would be a Specially dangerous airgun and you would need to have a firearms licence".

TL;DR - What I said 6 years ago still has some truth to it. Because a combustion is treated as a firearm, you can be caught off-guard by a failure on your behalf to treat it as such. If you have it in the boot of your car, you could technically be charged with unlawful possession of a firearm (or whatever the offence related to carrying a firearm without just cause is called) or other offences stated above that could land you with a firearm offence conviction and a hefty fine.
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Unread postAuthor: edmunddavidson » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:21 pm

However in newzealand you can have a pneumatic spud gun.
But u cant have a combustion gun without a liscence.






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Unread postAuthor: TheNewKid22 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:23 am

what about aus? say vic? what are the laws like with pneumatics?
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:45 am

As a resident in the best state in Aus, I can tell you exactly.

No, no, and finally, no. It's in the same category as a rimfire rifle or shotgun. If you live in the country like myself, the older cops turn a blind eye, if you let them have a go of course. But you have to know them beforehand.

Whereabouts in Vic, we've got a fair few members here.
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Unread postAuthor: TheNewKid22 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:15 am

yeah okay thats good then, i can see where the cops are coming from with the danger factor but i'd say most builders are a little bit careful and as long as your not doing anything ridiculously stupid i would think they'd have to be pretty good.


i'm on the border in the north-east, wodonga to be exact
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:57 am

Nice, my sister and niece live up there. I'm in central Vic.

If you're careful, you'll be right, having a gun license means you can make a lot of loud noise without drawing attention to yourself. That's my plan anyway.
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