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| Major Collins |
 Posted: 11/21/2009 3:15 AM Post subject: |
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| yes it was and yeah i had a look at eBay there is a perfect one that i want but doesn't ship to Australia ... -.- sigh. |
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| POLAND_SPUD |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 5:41 AM Post subject: |
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probably there are cheaper suppliers...
I've noticed that sometimes you can pay almost 50% less for exactly the same product
here compare the price from my first link with this one (the difference is in fact more than 50% and the shipping costs twice as much  )
I've been looking for pneumatic stuff, literally for days - and now I more less know where to buy cheap stuff
do the same and you should find better offers
inonickname is right, ebay is a good source of cheap pneumatic stuff but you've got to visit it regularly to find the best deals... sometimes I buy stuff I don't need at that moment (but which is useful) just because it's a good bargain |
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| absinthe |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 7:07 AM Post subject: |
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| i have some 1/2" QEV's from bellpro (i bought 3) i wouldnt even consider using one as the main valve the ports are tiny,, i might use it as a pilot actuator valve though |
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| inonickname |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 7:19 AM Post subject: |
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| I'm considering modifying my 1/2" bellpro QEV. I know I can get at least twice as much gas through if i make a new seat/port and drill out the chamber and pilot ports. |
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| Major Collins |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 7:24 AM Post subject: |
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| spudtyrrant |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 11:54 AM Post subject: |
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| jhalek90 wrote: | more lik.... S.S.R lol... jk
| just call it the U.S.S.R.(ultimate small steel rifle) for good measure lol  |
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| D_Hall |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 12:04 PM Post subject: |
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| Except that it doesn't appear to be a rifle. |
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| POLAND_SPUD |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 12:18 PM Post subject: |
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they are 25.24$
while the one from this site is for 16.16$
both prices excluding tax
now do you get it ? they are exactly the same... one site has better pics but their products cost 50% more...
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ohh have a look here as well... they are for 12,11$ excl. tax
now you see...? compare 12$ to 24$ - you can pay 100% more for the same product
they are all polish shops.. some of them ship abroad but shipping would cost you too much... I've posted that just to show you that:
A there can be a huge difference in price between different suppliers
B even in Poland (which might be considered to be a 3rd world country by some of the guys here ) there are lots of places where you can buy QEVs... so probably there are good shops in AUS but you haven't found them yet |
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| jhalek90 |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 13:50 PM Post subject: |
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Im goin to put alot more than 150 psi in there... lol it shoudl be fine at 500 psi
Good lick with the piston!!
make sure that the sealing faces, are perfectly flat...
Alright.... s0.. here we are again... the 1200 fps question...
If my daisy air rifle can hit 1600-1800 fps with a pellet.... why do you think it is impossible for me with a larger valve.... and larger chamber?
I know they use higher pressures... but still. it is not impossible.
So, unless you have more proof that i am wrong, than i do proof that im right, please shut up with the "That is impossible."
My chronograph is acurate, to a degree, so i took the lowest of the range of error. which was 1190 give or take a few fps.
The only way i will ever know if my chronograph is way off, is when i get the gun tested by a real chronograph. Which i am trying to do sometime soon. So, untill then.... ill shut up about the FPS.
When i get it tested for real. I will let you all know if i was right or wrong.
Thank you. |
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| Ragnarok |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 14:33 PM Post subject: |
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| jhalek90 wrote: | | So, unless you have more proof that I am wrong, than I do proof that I'm right, please shut up with the "That is impossible." |
Thanks for the offer.
| Quote: | If my daisy air rifle can hit 1600-1800 fps with a pellet.... why do you think it is impossible for me with a larger valve.... and larger chamber?
I know they use higher pressures... but still. It is not impossible. |
It is impossible, because you're misunderstanding the importance of that pressure.
It's a fact of physics that no pressure based cannon can shoot faster than the speed of sound in its propellant. It's not physically possible - the speed of sound is the limit on how fast the propellant can expand, so it's obvious you can't shoot faster.
So, while things can shoot supersonic in air, they can only do so because their propellants have a higher speed of sound. (The gas is either hotter or lower molar mass.)
In air rifles, they can shoot supersonic because of adiabatic heating of their air.
In a springer, this comes about because of the compression of the air in the "power plant".
In any "pneumatic", be it PCP or CO2, then a supersonic shot comes about because of the compression of any air in the "dead volume" between valve and projectile.
Heating this dead volume sufficiently for even a marginally supersonic shot takes extreme pressures. Thousands of psi, not hundreds - and you don't have that pressure on tap.
Now, I doubt you have a 1600 fps air rifle. Yes, some things claim to get pellets that fast, but it's mostly marketing BS.
If something can get a pellet that fast, it will will almost certainly be a springer, because those only WORK because of the extreme heating (and thus high SOS) of their gas.
Either way, comparing springer velocities to PCP velocities is pretty moot.
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If you want more than that, let me put it this way. Almost every claim of supersonic performance from a pneumatic on this forum has either never been backed up with evidence that it's true, or has been proven outright false.
As per Russel's teapot, the onus is on you to provide the proof, not on us to disprove you.
Until you have reliable evidence that you actually achieved that velocity, it is perfectly reasonable for us to argue against your claim, simply based on the reliability of previous claims of that velocity. |
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| jrrdw |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 14:37 PM Post subject: |
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| Most Daisy's get 795 fps not 1700 to 1800. |
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| Major Collins |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 20:30 PM Post subject: |
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lol i see what your saying about the prices Poland Spud , but why are the sites in a language i cant understand lol :/ thats like trying to describe something to a blind person XD i need someone in Australia to show me where i can get them .. hrmmm.. anyone ? lol  |
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| POLAND_SPUD |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 23:18 PM Post subject: |
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you could convert the prices by using google... all you've got to do is to type something like '20PLN -> USD' and it will convert the prices to USD for you... actually you don't have to do it but that's what I did
it would be the best if someone already knew that... but you can find the best shops yourself by using google that's how I found the best suppliers
and as I said earlier it literally took me days |
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| D_Hall |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 23:23 PM Post subject: |
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| jhalek90 wrote: | My chronograph is acurate, to a degree, so i took the lowest of the range of error. which was 1190 give or take a few fps.
The only way i will ever know if my chronograph is way off, is when i get the gun tested by a real chronograph. Which i am trying to do sometime soon. So, untill then.... ill shut up about the FPS. |
I'm curious....
If you've never tested your chonograph against a known system, how can you state that it's "accurate, to a degree?" |
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| spudtyrrant |
| Posted: 11/21/2009 23:24 PM Post subject: |
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| jhalek90 wrote: | If my daisy air rifle can hit 1600-1800 fps with a pellet.... why do you think it is impossible for me with a larger valve.... and larger chamber?
| I'm sorry but even the most powerful advertised airguns in the world only claim to shoot 1600fps(this is with super light, lead free pellets, and they are definitely not daisy's), trust us their are many cannons that have come before yours that were higher quality, use more pressure, and shoot faster than yours, and their builders haven't made the un-informed claims your making. honestly this cannon couldn't get over SOS with .25" pellets let alone 1" bouncy balls, any belief to the contrary is just flat wrong  |
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my god thats fabulous .c to b ? huh lol well my sealing gasket doesn't seal up against the barrel surface part ...