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| hubb017 |
 Posted: 03/22/2008 20:31 PM Post subject: Hybrid Fan |
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Sarcasmo
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While asking questions about my hybrid, I touched on the topic of a fan. It was immediately noted that a fan would be destroyed in a hybrid. It was also noted that one is not really necessary due to the air injection.
I know a chamber fan drastically increases the performance of a combustion and thought it may do the same with a hybrid, although I'm not sure.
Here is a couple of thoughts of mine to integrate a fan onto a hybrid and keep it from being destroyed through detonation.
Both designs incorporate ball valves to protect the fan from the detonation. Open the valve(s), operate the fan, close the valve(s), fire the launcher.
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| In this design, the fan is set up similar to a metering system. Once the fuel is injected, the ball valves are open and the fan turned on, allowing the fuel to mix. |
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| This is a better design, in my opinion, than the first design. It allows the fan not only to mix fuel, but also allows it to exhaust the fumes. |
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| _Fnord |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 11:21 AM Post subject: |
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A hybrid will not necessarily destroy a fan.
I have fired mine at least 20 times and the fan is still fine.
You'll want to mount it parallel to the chamber rather than having it across the middle; I think the pressure differential will end up dislodging/breaking it if you "block" two halves of chamber with one.
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| jimmy101 |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 13:31 PM Post subject: |
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The first design looks like what I suggested to D_Hall for his "big-ass" gun. Basically a re-circ loop.
The second... I don't think it is going to mix very well. Probably better than nothing but not nearly as effective as the first design.
Of course, a fan used in this way only gets two of the three beenies of a fan in a combustion chamber, namely, mixing and venting.
Now, how do you get all three beeinies; mixing, venting and turbulance during combustion? Of course, with a burst disk, turbulance during combustion might not be all that important.
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| jimmy101 |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 13:34 PM Post subject: |
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| _Fnord wrote: | A hybrid will not necessarily destroy a fan.
I have fired mine at least 20 times and the fan is still fine.
You'll want to mount it parallel to the chamber rather than having it across the middle; I think the pressure differential will end up dislodging/breaking it if you "block" two halves of chamber with one. |
Interesting thought. Does that mean that a fan that is significantly smaller than the chamber would have a better chance of surviving? Say a 1.5"D fan in a 3"D chamber, with the fan shifted off center towards the chamber wall.
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| SpudFarm |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 13:36 PM Post subject: Re: Hybrid Fan |
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| hubb017 wrote: | | Both designs incorporate ball valves to protect the fan from the detonation. |
big plans ? 
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| hubb017 |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 14:07 PM Post subject: |
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Jimmy: In the first design, it is just to mix the air and fuel. The second is a more conventional type, common in a lot of combustion launchers. This one may be used to generate turbulence, but I would think in a hybrid, it would be more prone to causing DDT.
Fnord: I'm not really sure I follow that. The chamber is not going to be blocked off. The first design just allows the fan to be out of reach of the chamber when it is fired to help protect it.
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| DYI |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 18:01 PM Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Both designs incorporate ball valves to protect the fan from the detonation |
Ask yourself not how to protect the fan from detonation. That is impossible. Instead, only realise the truth: ...every commercially made fitting on the chamber will be blown to sh*t by detonation
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| hubb017 |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 18:08 PM Post subject: |
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As long as I'm not standing next to it, right?
I guess you guys pointed out a typo. Maybe I meant to say destruction. I probably did. You know, I do my best thinking after a drink or twelve.
The main reason I posted this was this: My hybrid fires since I upgraded to a stun gun ignition, however, it does so after about 5 or six seconds of holding the trigger. Then it goes off and scares the hell out of me.
I figured, with a hybrid fan, it would fire when I hit the trigger and not moments after.
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| DYI |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 18:24 PM Post subject: |
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| Metering may be the problem. Can you describe your fuel meter and air injection systems?
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| hubb017 |
| Posted: 03/23/2008 18:46 PM Post subject: |
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| I can't remember remember the volumes of each, but the meter is made of 1/4" pipe with fittings and gauge and the chamber is made of 2" pipe, 12 inches long. The volumes were checked with water and the meter needs 51psi of propane to make the correct mix. The air is injected through the meter to push the propane through the meter.
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| sniperjosh |
| Posted: 03/25/2008 4:14 AM Post subject: |
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| I cant see a chamber fan incurring much if any performance gains in a hybrid, the injected air does a good job of mixing...unless there is a fan which can mix at the time of ignition, that would be interesting . Is your hybrid having problems firing at all mixtures, i know in mine, due to the location of the air and propane injection for 1x mixes it takes a while for the propane to even out and reach the rear-located spark plug, but as soon as i go for a 2x, 3x or higher, ignition is always instant.
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| hubb017 |
| Posted: 03/26/2008 15:29 PM Post subject: |
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I have yet to have it misfire, other than the burst disk not rupturing once (my error).
I shot it yesterday, after I finished its mount (pics soon). It works okay but I figured that I wouldn't even be able to hear the clicking of the stun gun. It clicks for about a second or two then fires.
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| sniperjosh |
| Posted: 03/27/2008 4:51 AM Post subject: |
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Hmm, a second or two still seems wrong to me, the instant my finger pushes the trigger, there is a boom  . What mixtures does this happen at?
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