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POLAND_SPUD
PostPosted: 11/25/2007 11:16 AM    Post subject: My compressor, 300 psi and more (..... much more :-D ) Reply with quote

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My compressor is a a part of refrigerator. It can pump to 300 psi and more (it is said that 35 atm is possible with this - but I've never tried that). It has much smaller flow that 'normal' comercially available compressors. Therefore it is ideal for small chamber-high pressure designes.

How to build one:

1. First of all this thing is basicly a part of a fridge - it is a pump that pumps freon gas (newer fridges use more enviroment-firendly gas) throught those small copper pipes and a radiator thing that are on the back of any fridge. The pump is the only thing you need.

2. There are several ways to find get this part: you can remove it yourself or you can buy it - they are sold as spare parts and I heard that some junkyards have them.
If you decide to remove the compressor you risk releasing freon to the atmosphere. Most new fridges don't use freon any more - but I have no idea how to find out whether a given fridge uses freon or not. Anyway to remove the pump you have to cut those thin copper pipes ( cut about 15 - 20 cm from the pump ) and cut the cable (so that there is only that cable that goes to the pump - that thermostat thing is not needed ). finally, remove the compressor

3. provided you did everything in the right way the compressor you have just removed has 3 copper pipes sticking out of it and a cable . All you have to do is to connect the cable to the power and add a switch to turn it on/off.
One of the pipes is an air inlet and the other one is where the air comes out, that 3rd pipe is already closed - it was used to fill the fridge with gas - it's not important.
Now all you have to do is to put/connect an airhose with the pipe that is an air output and fasten it with a clamp tightly. that's all - your compressor is ready to work

4. It is advised to add an air filter to the pump - it doesn't have to be an off the shelf part - you can make your own air filter - a pen tube with some cotton inside would suffice (make sure that the cotton can't be sucked into the pump ) join the air filter with the pipe that is an air inlet and that's all


important note ---> There is no safety valve in it - I strongly suggest you to add one - connect the airhose with a gauge and a safety valve. 300 psi pressures are more dangerous than 8 atm of commercial aircompressor so make sure you know what you are doing, especially if you are planning to use it to pump a PCV spudgun. Every refrigator pump/compressor can be different - I don't guarrante you that the one you will find can get 400 psi. Mine works fine at 300 psi and I've heard that they even do 35 atm but as I said before this part was not constructed to pump air into spudguns --> so you probably won't find information "it is 100% safe to use the compressor for spudding" in any fridge manual

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I tried to correct the text + I added a diagram..I hope it's easier to understand it now (if there are any mistakes, ideas how to rewrite it etc. - PM me please)



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PostPosted: 11/25/2007 11:22 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How much flow do you think you are getting from this thing?

I just happen to have one of these sitting upstairs, though I intended to use it as a vacuum pump for a co2 laser.

Anyone selling znse lenses ? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11/25/2007 11:31 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A guesstimate - 1.27 cm X 150 cm chamber to 250 psi in about 80 seconds - I would say that its flow is similar to a bike pump - only that it doesn't slow down when the pressure rises... so it no good for a bbmg. It can pump to high pressure but flow is lower. ahhh i forgot to add --->I advise to use quick connect fittings with this becasue the addapter to shreader valve is pushed by pressure from the valve at >200 psi.... so you have to press it to a shreader valve by hand
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PostPosted: 11/25/2007 14:24 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I advise to use quick connect fittings with this becasue the addapter to shreader valve is pushed by pressure from the valve at >200 psi....


Alternatively, you can get a threaded connection for schraders, like the ones used in shock pumps.

I really need to get my hands on another one of these as it seems my initial judgement of the setup was based on a faulty part.
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PostPosted: 11/25/2007 15:13 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i have friends who used these pumps in their 4x4s. it took forever to air up 4 tires from 6 psi to 25 psi. they have upgraded to CO2 or Nitrogen tanks.

i imagine a smaller chamber wouldn't be to unbearable.

occasionally i help my neighbor at his appliance store replacing parts and from what i've seen compressors are one of the first things to go out on a refrigerator, so finding a junk refrigerator with a good compressor is hard. locally compressors run about $65 minimum. even the ones that can be repaired the parts kits are about $30.
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PostPosted: 11/25/2007 16:58 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bluerussetboy... this thing is for small chambers/high pressures - like 100 cm3. It takes some time to pump 4 car tires even with a foot pump - tires have much greater volume than most spudguns...

hmm here poland I can buy them for 30 PLN, which is more less 15$.
yes they are generally the first and only thing to go out in a refrigerator - becasue this is the only moving/working part in a refrigerator.... Very Happy

not all of junk refrigators are broken down - some were disposed of becasue they were old. The one I use is from 15 years old freezer... Shocked
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PostPosted: 11/25/2007 21:25 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Son of a [female doggy], I wish this was around a 2 weeks ago, cause I chucked a fridge and a freezer then. Grrrr....

This is a great idea though, i see a trip to the thrift store in my future for an old fridge.
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PostPosted: 12/17/2007 4:44 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really like this idea. I never knew refrigerators pumps could go up to such a high pressure! Impressive. I should go check out the scrap yard now:)
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PostPosted: 12/17/2007 6:07 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Releasing Freon into the atmosphere is against the law in most places by the way,so don't get caught.

And I am definitely going to do this next time one of your fridges or something goes pop.Hopefully the pump survives.
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PostPosted: 12/18/2007 7:05 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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apparently air conditioner compressors are pretty good too.
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PostPosted: 12/18/2007 13:34 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's capable of 35 atm.( that is 507 psi) althought I've never tried these pressures for safety reasons and because I don't even have a gauge for such high pressures Shocked

I have it for quite a long time and it still works perfectly... I spend about 1$ and two hours to make this this or even less so I think it is great.
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PostPosted: 12/18/2007 15:35 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Releasing Freon into the atmosphere is against the law in most places by the way,so don't get caught.


True, but I don't think a lot of people care.
When we chucked our freezer we had to pay a a guy to come and certify that there wasn't any freon (even though the freon had already leaked out). Afterwards though he told us that next time we can let the freon out and just cut the compressor out ourselves, and then we can dump it no problems, and save ourselves $30 bucks.
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PostPosted: 12/18/2007 16:03 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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any ideas where to get one from? the rubbish tip near me won't let me have one Sad
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PostPosted: 12/22/2007 11:24 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yesterday I added a quick-connect fittings so the total cost of my compressor has increased from about 1$ to 5 $
Very Happy

and I've tried pumping past 300 psi - possibly near 350 - 380 - (sorry I don't know exactly becasue my gauge is limmited to 300 psi...) I've used earplugs but I still hear ringing in my ears...Shocked
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PostPosted: 12/22/2007 12:38 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so how loud is this thing for certain pressures?

im in ozzie surburbia and i think every time my neighbors hear the compressor they start talking louder than usual to try to scare me lol (it works...)
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