| Author |
Message
|
| bangmikkelbang |
 Posted: 01/06/2008 4:21 AM Post subject: new double barrel design |
 |
|
Private
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 21
49.23 Spud Bux
|
heres my new double barrel design. tell me what you think
| Description: |
|
| Filesize: |
15.07 KB |
| Viewed: |
367 Time(s) |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|
|
|
| Mr. Beaver |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 4:46 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Corporal
Joined: 30 Nov 2007
Posts: 66
169.79 Spud Bux
|
Its nice but with in your design, the connection of the lower barrel, cause the lengths to be different and the lower barrel to be longer overall.
I think you need to focus on making the barrels same length overall...
But beside it i think the design is good.
i'll make a drawing to explain in a while.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| ALIHISGREAT |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 5:18 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Eternal Noob
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 1124
671.38 Spud Bux
|
hmm well the whole double barrel thing has been suggested before (on the uksgc) and it might work but you could get more air going one way than the other or maybe the bore of one of the barrels would be tighter and there would be more friction so the projectile would come out slower, the power will also be less because the air is spread between two barrels
so i think the best way to shoot two projectiles at the same time is to put two projectiles in one barrel 
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackssmirkingrevenge |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 5:24 AM Post subject: |
|
|
space monkey
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 6524
9948.02 Spud Bux
|
| ALIHISGREAT wrote: | | so i think the best way to shoot two projectiles at the same time is to put two projectiles in one barrel |
Not strictly true.
Two projectiles in one barrel means you still have the same force (pressure acting on the projectile base area) but double the weight, so less energy.
By using two barrels (assuming you've increased the valve flow accordingly) you not have the force acting on double the area, so more energy 
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| ALIHISGREAT |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 5:48 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Eternal Noob
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 1124
671.38 Spud Bux
|
| jackssmirkingrevenge wrote: | | ALIHISGREAT wrote: | | so i think the best way to shoot two projectiles at the same time is to put two projectiles in one barrel |
Not strictly true.
Two projectiles in one barrel means you still have the same force (pressure acting on the projectile base area) but double the weight, so less energy.
By using two barrels (assuming you've increased the valve flow accordingly) you not have the force acting on double the area, so more energy |
yes but then you have the problems that i mentioned such as getting the same amount of air into both the barrels.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Mr. Beaver |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 6:06 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Corporal
Joined: 30 Nov 2007
Posts: 66
169.79 Spud Bux
|
i just made a drawing of how i think you should make a double barrel...
yeah it;s pretty simple but it's my idea of launching 2 projectiles same time same force different barrel tell me what you think..
i get it that the drawing look a bit like an ass,
but i dont care(dot)(dot)(dot)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackssmirkingrevenge |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 6:07 AM Post subject: |
|
|
space monkey
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 6524
9948.02 Spud Bux
|
If your barrels are say 0.5", hooking them up to a 3/4" valve like in the attached diagram, you'd get no loss in performance save for a little extra dead space.
Go on, let's see more creativity and less off the shelf parts on this forum 
| Description: |
|
| Filesize: |
3.4 KB |
| Viewed: |
337 Time(s) |
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Mr. Beaver |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 6:15 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Corporal
Joined: 30 Nov 2007
Posts: 66
169.79 Spud Bux
|
i just made a drawing of how i think you should make a double barrel...
yeah it;s pretty simple but it's my idea of launching 2 projectiles same time same force different barrel tell me what you think..
i get it that the drawing look a bit like an ass,
but i dont care(dot)(dot)(dot)
[edit]: sorry for double post problem max_users_connections or whatever...
Last edited by Mr. Beaver on 01/06/2008 6:21 AM; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| bangmikkelbang |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 6:19 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Private
Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 21
49.23 Spud Bux
|
| idk if im lookin at the diagram right but is that just epoxy acting as the wall? i just like the reliability of parts off the shelf. or maybe get a joint that actually looks like a " Y " and make it side by side double barrel. im not 100% if im right but should the airflow divide evenly both ways if its side by side? im just tryin to milk everyone of their superior knowledge ( something i dont have haha).
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackssmirkingrevenge |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 6:28 AM Post subject: |
|
|
space monkey
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 6524
9948.02 Spud Bux
|
If you get a "Y" fitting that's the same diameter as the barrels, you'll get half the flow going to each barrel and less power. With my design and using a 3/4" or even better a 1" sprinkler valve, you'd get much better performance.
I'm a big fan of using epoxy as a casting material for custom reducers and endcaps, have a look here and at any of my finished projects.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| grumpy |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 6:34 AM Post subject: |
|
|
1st Lieutenant
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
Posts: 251
274.31 Spud Bux
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| ALIHISGREAT |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 7:49 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Eternal Noob
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 1124
671.38 Spud Bux
|
| Mr. Beaver wrote: | i just made a drawing of how i think you should make a double barrel...
yeah it;s pretty simple but it's my idea of launching 2 projectiles same time same force different barrel tell me what you think..
i get it that the drawing look a bit like an ass,
but i dont care(dot)(dot)(dot) |
thats a good idea but it won't work for cylindrical projectiles because they would not fit side-by-side.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| POLAND_SPUD |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 9:26 AM Post subject: |
|
|
Brigadier General
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Posts: 876
2174.38 Spud Bux
|
| why do you need two barrels ?? there aren't many modern real guns with two barrels and i think this suggests that it's not practical
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| jackssmirkingrevenge |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 9:38 AM Post subject: |
|
|
space monkey
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 6524
9948.02 Spud Bux
|
| POLAND_SPUD wrote: | | why do you need two barrels ?? there aren't many modern real guns with two barrels and i think this suggests that it's not practical |
Lots of double barreled shotguns around, as well as pistols and rifles, but most are intended to fire one barrel at a time.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| bluerussetboy |
| Posted: 01/06/2008 9:38 AM Post subject: |
|
|
1st Lieutenant
Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 269
554.77 Spud Bux
|
| POLAND_SPUD wrote: | | why do you need two barrels ?? there aren't many modern real guns with two barrels and i think this suggests that it's not practical |
quite the contrary. plenty of double-barreled shotguns are still manufactured
and
double rifles are probably the most elegant of firearms and the price usually reflects.
http://www.doublegunshop.com/
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
