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| jon_89 |
 Posted: 04/25/2008 23:35 PM Post subject: |
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| Looks good. What is your eletrolacis setup? |
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| jook13 |
| Posted: 04/25/2008 23:37 PM Post subject: |
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| I think its a snazzy little gun. I also would love to see the electrolysis setup. |
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| xrcv |
| Posted: 04/26/2008 1:37 AM Post subject: |
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Oook , so here's the electrolyser:
Electrolyser Diagram
Electrolyser1
Electrolyser2
Electrolyser3
The whole thing is less than a foot high.For electrolyte i use baking soda. When i run it at 12v it puts out about 100cc/minute(haven't measured it though, just think so). There are a couple ways i connect it to the gun. The first is directly, which sometimes makes the rubber cork pop out(should fix that).The second is feeding the h2/o2 mix into a syringe and then injecting the syringe into the gun.  |
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| THUNDERLORD |
| Posted: 04/26/2008 1:48 AM Post subject: |
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| xrcv wrote: | Oook , so here's the electrolyser:
Electrolyser Diagram
Electrolyser1
Electrolyser2
Electrolyser3
The whole thing is less than a foot high.For electrolyte i use baking soda. When i run it at 12v it puts out about 100cc/minute(haven't measured it though, just think so). There are a couple ways i connect it to the gun. The first is directly, which sometimes makes the rubber cork pop out(should fix that).The second is feeding the h2/o2 mix into a syringe and then injecting the syringe into the gun. |
Thanyou xrcv, now a video please.  |
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| jon_89 |
| Posted: 04/26/2008 2:20 AM Post subject: |
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| how do you know you have enough? is hydrogen safe to use in pvc or is it best to use metal? can you explain the electrolocis machine more. |
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| xrcv |
| Posted: 04/26/2008 2:27 AM Post subject: |
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| jon_89 wrote: | | how do you know you have enough? is hydrogen safe to use in pvc or is it best to use metal? can you explain the electrolocis machine more. |
1.A 40 sec run of the electrolyser is enough to fill the chamber.
2.The power of hydrogen is highly overrated and i think there won't be any problem using it with pvc, provided the chamber is small.As i said i use stainless steel, simply because i have easy access to tubes and a WIG(inert gas welding) machine.
3.I think the diagram is self-explainatory |
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| psycix |
| Posted: 04/26/2008 5:25 AM Post subject: |
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Using H2/O2 as fuel in a PVC chamber is not safe.
H2/O2 mixtures produce not much more heat then propane, but it does produce a shockwave because it burns way faster. |
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| jon_89 |
| Posted: 04/27/2008 0:12 AM Post subject: |
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| So will propane or h2/o2 give me more power? I ask because I see several ideas. |
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| Lentamentalisk |
| Posted: 04/27/2008 0:54 AM Post subject: |
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| jon_89 wrote: | | So will propane or h2/o2 give me more power? |
Not necessarily. H2 and O2 burn 8x (i think) as fast as propane, but I do not know about the power ratio.
Because it only creates water, as opposed to CO2 and water, it will have a much higher speed of sound, so for hybrids going for supersonic, it is a better choice. |
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| psycix |
| Posted: 04/28/2008 5:52 AM Post subject: |
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It depends what you define as power.
The velocity that the projectile gains is caused by pressure.
Pressure is caused by heat.
Hydrogen does not produce much more heat then propane.
However, the oxygen allows for more fuel to be put in. |
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| CpTn_lAw |
| Posted: 04/28/2008 6:26 AM Post subject: |
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i'd say hydrogen is useful with light projectiles. If you've already put a balloon filled with H2/O2 over a flame, you probably have lost your hearing and you've probably seen that it doesn't "deflagrate" it detonates. The pressure spike happens much faster than with propane or butane. So even if the pressure created isn't THAT elevated, it causes the material to withstand a lot more stress.
Hydrogen is noisy, and clean...i personally think it's enough to make it fun to use when done safely  |
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| ilovetoblowthingsup |
| Posted: 04/28/2008 8:51 AM Post subject: |
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| yea it would be fun... but the whole detonation thing could be dangerous. I was also going to make a mini out of stainless, but the 20 dollar fittings sort of turned me off of it.. |
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| xrcv |
| Posted: 04/28/2008 11:52 AM Post subject: |
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Yep, the thing with light projectiles is totally true. A few times i tried shooting a long drill bit(bout 10 grams i guess). It didn't even come out of the barrel. Light projecticles like small nails and ball-bearings work fine though. And yes, stainless steel is expensive. I get it for cheap or free though. If anyone needs anything pm me.  . |
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| Ragnarok |
| Posted: 04/28/2008 13:55 PM Post subject: |
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Not to be a killjoy - it's a lovely cannon... but you should be made aware of hydrogen embrittlement.
Many metals, but most notably steels, are severely weakened by contact with high(er) concentrations of hydrogen, as hydrogen diffuses into the metal, and forms tiny pockets of high pressures within minuscule cavities.
I would have no qualms about using it with propane fuelling, but hydrogen fuelling is not such a wise move. |
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| xrcv |
| Posted: 04/28/2008 14:01 PM Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Not to be a killjoy - it's a lovely cannon... but you should be made aware of hydrogen embrittlement.
Many metals, but most notably steels, are severely weakened by contact with high(er) concentrations of hydrogen, as hydrogen diffuses into the metal, and forms tiny pockets of high pressures within minuscule cavities.
I would have no qualms about using it with propane fuelling, but hydrogen fuelling is not such a wise move. |
In theory yes, I've heard that. In practice I've worked at a company which manufactured s.s hydrogen storage chambers filled with nickel-based alloy, some of them working @ 40 bar and more filled with pure hydrogen. No problem whatsoever. |
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