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| Spuddin |
 Posted: 06/10/2008 18:58 PM Post subject: Valveless ? Pneumatic |
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I got this idea from hotwired. so i drew a quick pic to see if u guys think it will work. should be cheap enough to make. the only special item would be the O-ring.
| Hotwired wrote: | A pneumatic.
It was a very odd design... it was a pressurised broom handle and the valve was a short plastic tube with one sealed end. Which was also the barrel.
Pushing the barrel further into the broom handle exposed holes cut into the side of the plastic tube and shot out the pencil or pen or whatever was in there. |
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| n-strike |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 19:03 PM Post subject: |
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You lied! You said you wouldn't use a valve! You used a schrader valve! I'm just kidding. In all seriousness, I thought it didn't work at first, but then I read the "slide the barrel back and the air from the chamber enters the holes in the barrel and pow!" part. This might be a little retarded, but wouldn't it be kinda hard to push the barrel back with so much pressure building up behind it?
Happy 200th post, by the way.
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| Spuddin |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 19:06 PM Post subject: |
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i have no idea...
ok use a cork instead of the schrader valve.
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| n-strike |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 19:07 PM Post subject: |
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A little off topic, but where did the smiley come from? I swear it wasn't there the first time I looked at it...
And I was just kidding about the schrader valve part, but a cork...hm...
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| VH_man |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 19:58 PM Post subject: |
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technically this is a valve...... its the same valve used in inline Pump Paintball guns and the Airforce Condor..........
if you replaced the "pushing back" part with a hammer, youd have a kick-butt hammer valve gun.
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| SteelSovereignty |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 19:58 PM Post subject: |
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Looks like it might be okay, worth a test I'd say.
If your interested in this kind of operation you might want to check this link out:
http://nerfhaven.com/homemade/zero_semiautovalve/
made for nerfs, but pneumatics are all the same.
I'm not sure how good a moving barrel would be for accuracy, also maybe try to incorporate something to make it not waste all air in one shot?
Just suggestions, looks good!
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| clide |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 20:46 PM Post subject: |
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It will work, but it will take:
pi*.5^2*100 = 78.5 lbs of force to open at 100 psi.
The radius of .5 is used because the OD of 3/4" SCH40 is approximately 1"
I say it would be pretty hard to open.
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| hubb017 |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 21:22 PM Post subject: |
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| clide wrote: | It will work, but it will take:
pi*.5^2*100 = 78.5 lbs of force to open at 100 psi.
The radius of .5 is used because the OD of 3/4" SCH40 is approximately 1"
I say it would be pretty hard to open. |
What if the end cap on the barrel was replaced with a cone?
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| blind909 |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 21:24 PM Post subject: |
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| Where would you find a cone that can be inside a pressurized chamber?
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| n-strike |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 21:53 PM Post subject: |
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| Haha, I knew it would be hard to open! Unless you get someone to sit on it, but that would just shove it up there, and...ooh...AND NO NERFHAVEN! I WAS BANNED FROM THERE!
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| pizlo |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 21:56 PM Post subject: |
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| Nit picking pizlo sees a problem here. You can't move it back instantly, so I figure your projectile will be out the barrel before your holes are a quater open. You probably willget bad performance because of this.
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| hubb017 |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 21:57 PM Post subject: |
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I found this on the search.
I figured ant would have an answer. The only big problem I see is it leaking a bit when the barrel begins to slide (other than the hard opening).
As far as a cone goes, one could surely be improvised or machined.
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| Atlantis |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 22:17 PM Post subject: |
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This defiantly could be used for pneumatic cartridges, just shove this into the breech and the bolt would push the back in and the barrel would stop at the main barrel. A bolt/spring mechanism could help with the force needed. THis could also make a cool artillery style cannon with shells, let the weight of the main barrel on large calibers fire the valve.
P.S. A cone has the same horizontal cross section as an endcap so the same amount of force would be pushing in on it.
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| jackssmirkingrevenge |
| Posted: 06/10/2008 23:41 PM Post subject: |
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| Atlantis wrote: | | This defiantly could be used for pneumatic cartridges, just shove this into the breech and the bolt would push the back in and the barrel would stop at the main barrel. A bolt/spring mechanism could help with the force needed. |
This is exactly how Saxby-Palmer air cartridges work, though they were replaced by the more compacy and "realistic" brocock tandem cartridges.
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| trollhameran |
| Posted: 06/11/2008 0:43 AM Post subject: |
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| Maybe if you could make the surface area of the cap behind the o ring really small if would make it a bit easier to push the barrel back. How big are the holes in the barrel going to be?
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