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How to Make an Electrolysis Machine V.2

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How to Make an Electrolysis Machine V.2

Unread postAuthor: Killjoy » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:37 am

Well after a recent interest in an electrolysis machine (located here http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/eloctrolosys-water-displacment-t11608.html), I decided it was time to rebuild mine (or to be more percise, make a totally new one).
My old one can be found here: http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/how-to-make-an-electrolysis-machine-t8%20305.html


I decided this one had to be easy to build, relatively cheap, and everything had to be easily accessible, which it is in all catoagories.

Unlike my first one, I ditched the collection tank and such, as they weren't very neccessary and limited the portableness of the setup. Also looking over the parts list of my old one, there was a lot of excess parts, so this current one was designed with a short parts list in mind. I also wanted a more profesional looking one and not the ghetto/meth lab looking one I first built.
The entire thing cost about 30 bucks, and took a little under 2 hours to assemble. And all the parts came from either Home Depot, or Ace Hardware.

Parts:
Tank
2" coupler
2" threaded adapter
2"-1/2" bushing reducer
3" long piece of 2" pipe sch40
1/2"-1/4" brass reducer
1/4" hex male-male fitting
1/4" ball valve
2- 1/4" hose barb fittings and 2 feet of hose

Electrode set up
2" threaded plug
4- 3" long 1/4" stainless steel bolts
4- 1/4" stainless steel nuts
4- 1/4" stainless steel washers
8- 1/4" neoprene washers
50+ pack of stainless steel lock washers
2- rubber grommets
2- 2" long pieces of 3/16" copper pipe

Other
assorted tools
pvc cement and primer
pipe dope
solder
wire
water and baking soda

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Electrode Plug

Step 1

Take a washer and set it on the bottom and position it along the side of the plug where you want the bolt to go through, and mark with a sharpie; like so...
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This is done so the you won't drill the hole for the bolt to close to the plug wall, preventing the washer from sitting flush on the bottom.

Step 2
Repeat step 1 three more times, so that you have four dots on the plug bottom. Then drill out the holes with a 1/4" drill bit and scrap off the price tag. I recommend that you then run the drill bit through the hole and apply pressure to the sides with the bit, making the hole larger so that the bolt will easily pass through. You should now have something like this.

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Step 3

Take the pieces of copper pipe, and flatten them. Then position one over the outside holes of the plug, and mark from the inside of the plug with a sharpie. Then drill a hole in the flattened copper with a 1/4" bit, and then widen the holes. Bend an end up slightly, and solder a wire onto it.

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Step 4
Put 2 of the bolts throught the holes in the copper, and then put a neoprene washer onto the bolt. Take this and push the two bolts through the holes in the plug.

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Do this again for the other two bolts, and then put neoprene washers on the bolts protuding out of the bottom of the plug, then a stainless steel washer, and then thread on the nuts and tighten it as best you can.

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Step 5.
Finally, add the lock nuts, trying your best to get them not to line up, so that there are gaps between them. Add equal numbers of the washers onto the bolts (or as close to equal as you can get). Then cut the grommets in half and push a hald onto each bolt to keep the washers from falling off when the entire set up is move (Don't push the grommet half as hard as you can, just enough so the washers are loose but don't have a lot of play).

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Your done, now onto the electrolysis chamber

Electrolysis Chamber/Water Tank

Step 1
Glue the bushing reducer into the coupler, then the pipe into the other end of the coupler, and then the threaded adapter onto the end of the pipe. Let dry.

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Step 2
After letting dry for 30 mintues or so, go ahead and screw a hose barb into the 1/4" ball valve, then screw the 1/4" ball valve onto the 1/4" hex nipple, then screw that into the 1/2"-1/4" reducer, and then finnaly screw the entire thing into the pvc bushing. Screw a female quick disconnect onto a hose barb and then fit the hose onto both hose barbs, secruing with clamps. (remember to use ptfe/ pipe sealing tape on all threaded connections).

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Final Assembly

Take some warm water (about 4 cups) and mix in several table spoons (3 or 4) into the water, continuing to stir until it all disolves and the water is clear.
Take this mixture and pour it into the elelctrolysis chamber (close the ball valve prior to filling). Apply pipe dope to the elelctrode plug, and screw it into the threaded adapter.

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Thats it, your done, and the final product....
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Notes

This thing has decent gas production, it can fill small balloons with ease, and can pressurize itself to a decent pressure within a few minutes (not sure exact pressure). Currently I use and 8 amp hour lead acid rechargeable battery, but I have plans to upgrade to a larger battery eventually.

Down sides:
1) It's small, so it gets warm after short uses.
2) Because it's small, Gas production isn't amazing, but it is still good for the thing's size.

Upsides:
1) Cheap, easy to get the parts, and easy to build
2) much safer then my old one in that it doesn't leak.
3) Looks pretty good.

Upgrades:
Seeing as I was working on a budget, I went with the washer approach. But most hardware stores sell stainless steel wall outlet plates, and those could be use with a little cutting and bending in this setup to greatly increase surface area.
The water volume could alse be increased to keep the thing from getting so hot rapidly.[/url]
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Unread postAuthor: Tom » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:58 am

Looks very neat, A while ago I made a elecrolyses machine but ther didn't come of any H2 :x . You could also better use a battery charger :!: .
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Unread postAuthor: mopherman » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:01 am

wow thanks. This really helps my understanding of these things.
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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:06 pm

Final Assembly

Take some warm water (about 4 cups) and mix in several table spoons (3 or 4) into the water, continuing to stir until it all disolves and the water is clear.


Didn't know that tablespoons would dissolve in water. Just kidding. Looks very nice. The electrolyte is baking soda?

If you can get a hold of some NaOH or KOH it'll work a bit better and be less likely to corrode your electrodes. (Many drain cleaners are basically pure NaOH or KOH, "Drano" also contains a bit of aluminum shavings.) Baking soda (NaHCO<sub>3</sub>), aka sodium bicarbonate, is fairly basic but a stronger base works a bit better.

12V is really too much for a single electrolysis cell. The higher the voltage the more you'll get other electrolysis reactions happening. In addition, the higher voltage means you are getting more ohmic heating than you should. Make four or five of your cells and wire them in series with your 12V power source.

Or, measure the resistance of your cell and try to come up with a suitable load resistor that'll handle the current. If the cell resistance is in the vicinity of 100 Ohms then a standard 100W light bulb in series will cut the voltage (and current) in half. A 100W, 120V light bulb is basically a 100 watt (well duh) ~100 Ohm resistor, they make great cheap high power ballast resistors.
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Unread postAuthor: Killjoy » Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:35 pm

If you can get a hold of some NaOH or KOH it'll work a bit better and be less likely to corrode your electrodes. (Many drain cleaners are basically pure NaOH or KOH, "Drano" also contains a bit of aluminum shavings.) Baking soda (NaHCO3), aka sodium bicarbonate, is fairly basic but a stronger base works a bit better.

I was planning on using NaOH since I have a big jar somewhere, but I couldn't find it, so baking soda was the next best/only thing I had. But your right, they're better then just baking soda.

And I'll try cutting the voltage, either with the light bulb idea, or just ordering, say, a 6 volt lead acid battery. Thanks for you suggestions.
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Unread postAuthor: BigJon » Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:27 pm

This might be a noob question but what do you do with the gas that is produced from this?
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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:29 pm

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Do you think you could get the H2 and O2 seperate if there was a small wall on the outlet end of the chamber and you had two exit hoses?
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Unread postAuthor: mopherman » Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:52 pm

BigJon wrote:This might be a noob question but what do you do with the gas that is produced from this?

blow $hit up. Hydrogen and oxy could also be used as a spudgun fuel. You would need a full metal gun for it though. Hydrogen is also lighter than air, so you could make balloons. use your imagination
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Unread postAuthor: BigJon » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:56 pm

lol. But anyways thats a nice set up you got there.
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Unread postAuthor: Killjoy » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:15 pm

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Do you think you could get the H2 and O2 seperate if there was a small wall on the outlet end of the chamber and you had two exit hoses?


You could, just would need a little modification and measuring. The wall would have to continue probably about 3/4 of the way, and then glue a wall between the electrodse on the cap which protrudes up, so when it is screwed in the two sections kinda make one wall....I think that makes since. But yeah it will work.

blow $hit up. Hydrogen and oxy could also be used as a spudgun fuel. You would need a full metal gun for it though. Hydrogen is also lighter than air, so you could make balloons. use your imagination


Exactly, my plan was to use this in my new hybrid.
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Unread postAuthor: ninjafroglet » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:33 pm

I'm not entirely sure but i think graphite electrodes are better for electrolysis than steel, ideally platinum should be used for hydrogen production, but that gets a little expensive.
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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:32 am

ninjafroglet wrote:I'm not entirely sure but i think graphite electrodes are better for electrolysis than steel, ideally platinum should be used for hydrogen production, but that gets a little expensive.

Graphite electrodes (e.g., graphite welding rods) work well but are really not needed. With the correct electrolyte and voltage, steel and iron, even zinc plated, work well.

In a laboratory, graphite and platinum electrodes are used for generic electrolysis setups so that the same rig can be used for pretty much any electrolysis (even in molten salt). In the case of electrolysis of water they are kind of overkill.
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Unread postAuthor: MetalMSTR » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:23 pm

wow it looks great but yes you ll need a iron spudgun to support that energy so lets use it to make explosive ballons :twisted: :twisted:
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Unread postAuthor: the beast » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:32 pm

correct me if im wrong but if you put hydrogen into a pneumatic wont it fire much faster/further. like in the same gun hydgrogen at 50 psi will outperform air at 50 psi right.
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Unread postAuthor: Killjoy » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:43 pm

Im not sure. I assume so since hydrogen is less dense then air.
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