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Unread postAuthor: BC Pneumatics » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:42 am

joannaardway wrote:I don't know - it's possible to kill instantly without breaking the skin, just through sheer blunt impact trauma.

With a high power cannon and a lucky shot. (And with the accuracy of most of these things, it would be luck) The point isn't 'is it possible,' the point is 'is it practical'.

It's not penetration that kills, it's how densely energy is distributed to the target.

If your round penetrates through the skin, muscle, and meat, into the heart (Which is in fact the target), then it will distribute it's energy there a lot better than it could from outside the animal.
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Unread postAuthor: joannaardway » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:04 am

There are numerous cases of people dying after being shot, despite the fact that none of the projectiles pierced their skin (things like birdshot from a shotgun can do this - it's rare, but it happens)

Hitting the heart or head is not essential to killing. Modern ammunition (the type usually issued to special forces) can easily kill (more or less instantly) in one shot with less than 3 inches of penetration, even if it hits nowhere near either.

Ok, hitting the heart may be a little more effective, but blood-loss and internal bleeding are unlikely to be the cause of death if hit by a spudgun.
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Unread postAuthor: BC Pneumatics » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:20 am

Numerous cases, yet billions of people. (Okay, this isn't fair)
What I am saying is, I wouldn't rely on it for hunting. It is a long shot at best. (Not sure if that is a pun...)

You're completely correct, it isn't essential, but it is pretty damn effective, especially if you are using an underpowered devise. (Not that a spudgun would be underpowered- they put off more power than a .22 to be sure.)

I wouldn't say 'unlikely', it seems to me to be a perfectly possible scenario considering the accuracy of the weapon. Hopefully (aside from a near instant kill of course) you would be able to break a leg, or a rib to collapse a lung, so the animal wouldn't be going anywhere and you could approach and kill it. But what if you hit it in some place that doesn't bring it down? When dealing with lives and weapons, it is always important to consider the worst case scenario, then weight that situation against it's probability. If you ask me, what I have described is far too likely to happen for us to consider large cannons 'reasonable' hunting apparatuses.
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:37 am

Why are you talking about this stuff here....

Cannons are as lethal as the projectile. One could be used to launch a finned and saboted tungsten dart through a brick wall or merely leave a damp patch with a potato.

I personally wouldn't be bothered if people posted hunting kills but I can easily see it being considered to upset others. Even if said others don't actually visit these forums...

Personally I'd like to see spoiler tags :D

You can find them on some other forums to hide or reveal sections of a post to hide or show relevant information without having all of it lumped there in one go.
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Unread postAuthor: WOW!! » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:11 am

Hotwired wrote:Why are you talking about this stuff here....

Cannons are as lethal as the projectile. One could be used to launch a finned and saboted tungsten dart through a brick wall or merely leave a damp patch with a potato.

I personally wouldn't be bothered if people posted hunting kills but I can easily see it being considered to upset others. Even if said others don't actually visit these forums...

Personally I'd like to see spoiler tags :D

You can find them on some other forums to hide or reveal sections of a post to hide or show relevant information without having all of it lumped there in one go.


The only thing is if you hit and don't kill it, then you can be charged with animal cruitle. I don't mind hunting, but make sure it is powerful enough to kill it.
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Unread postAuthor: chaos » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:40 pm

Even some small firearms, compound bows do not kill instantly especially with bow hunting, but i don't see as long as you place your shot right at the force of a marble will stun if not kill a rabbit and or other small game/pests with one hit. one thing that confuses me about this thread is that there are other sites w/homemade air guns that are specifically designed to kill deer and larger game although most of them are CO2 the same results can be achieved from high pressure air.

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Unread postAuthor: pyromaniac » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:49 pm

i'd only kill squirrels and birds. funny story there were two blackbirds on my neighbors house. My dad saw em and called my sister and i downstairs. He took out my pellet gun and killed them. My neighbor saw and was seriously ticked off.

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Unread postAuthor: frankrede » Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:43 pm

I would love to take on a bear, I think with a the proper ammo my gun could do it if I was within 25 yards.
But that would be mean
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Unread postAuthor: BC Pneumatics » Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:25 pm

frankrede wrote:I would love to take on a bear, I think with a the proper ammo my gun could do it if I was within 25 yards.
But that would be mean


Nut sure I would count on this. If you try, you will surely be killed.
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Unread postAuthor: frankrede » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:19 pm

A piston gun with my penetrating ammo aimed towards the chest would definetly either kill the bear semi-instantly or hurt it enough so it goes way to die. But then again I would hope I am never in teh situation where my only choice is a spudgun
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Unread postAuthor: WOW!! » Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:34 pm

frankrede wrote:But then again I would hope I am never in teh situation where my only choice is a spudgun



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Unread postAuthor: chaos » Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:11 am

if you used arrow bolts with decent broad heads it would surly kill a bear at a decent amount of pressure probably more humane than with a bow(more fps)

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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:06 am

frankrede wrote:I would love to take on a bear, I think with a the proper ammo my gun could do it if I was within 25 yards.
But that would be mean


A bear cub maybe. A sleeping bear cub. A sleeping bear cub whose mummy takes your head off with a paw for being mean to it.

I'd say stay the fork away from any bear. Unlike small critters or deer they will get pissed at you hitting them with your improvised ammo, they won't die and they will then turn you into dog food.
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Unread postAuthor: joannaardway » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:06 am

Stay away from bears unless you happen to be wearing a suit of power armour, and have some sort of full-automatic shotgun.

Or have no other choice.

A spudgun wouldn't have any guarantees, but if you used a heavy metal dart and hit one of the following:
1) The brain, and did enough damage to stop it.
2) The neck, or more specifically the spine, and you severed it.
3) The heart, and you left a gaping hole through it.
4) Hitting a critical blood vessel, like the jugular or aorta, (Or whatever the bear's equivalent is) might stop it fast enough, but it's a risk.

It might just work.

Anything else, and it'd likely keep going (they are exceptionally tough) so you'd have to reload, which wouldn't be good.

If you hit a lung, it could keep going more than long enough to kill you. Blood loss wouldn't stop it quickly enough (exceptions above). Hit a limb, and it wouldn't stop it. Hit the stomach, kidneys, liver, or any of this stuff, and it'll die eventually, but again, not fast enough.
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Unread postAuthor: BC Pneumatics » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:45 am

25yrds is what gets me. A full grown grizzly can accelerate faster than thoroughbred racehorse. I have talked with people who live around 'bear country', and they don't trust a full cylinder of FMJ .45's to even come close to stopping a bear.

Bear hunting is serious crap.
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