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What does the "x" of the hybrid mix mean!?

Post questions and info about hybrid (compressed gas with fuel) powered cannons here. This includes discussion about fuels, ratios, ignition systems, build types, safety, and anything else relevant.
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Unread postAuthor: killerbanjo » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:50 pm

Hi all. Been trying to get my head around hybrids as im into paintball but it is imposable to get co2 fills around here so been running off 12 grams using nelson pumps... did get a dive cylnder on a grant but then because my dad wanted to do the first fill and f**ked it up as he flash filled it and the fill nipple because unatached to the adaptor he is now scared of it and will not let me use it..... damn parents

ANYWAY! I wanna make a hybrid paintball gun due to the effecincy due to the cost of propane and the design is coming along. BUT.... what does it mean when people are using a 2x mix or a 9x mix. Is this 9x as much propane to 1x air? Does it affect idle pressure? Please help :S

Also in my design the chamber has two inputs. An air input and a propane input and at the current time it does work on paper but because i have no experience with hybrids im not sure if the chamber has to be "clean" before refilling it again. Does it matter that there is burned up old gas in the chamber when you refill it?

Thanks in advance!
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Unread postAuthor: LeMaudit » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:57 pm

Did you read the wiki ?
Lots of answers there.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Also, why a paintball gun, who are you trying to kill?
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Unread postAuthor: killerbanjo » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:10 pm

Paintball because i play paintball - Of course shooting at 300fps or below, i own a chronograph so i will be safe.

And LeMaudit yes i did but couldnt find my answer so i asked here.... unless you can link me :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:16 pm

It's total overkill to de-tune a hybird for paintball use.

Even de-tuned you'd probably break more balls then hit your target, just a guess.
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Unread postAuthor: killerbanjo » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:20 pm

Well the tippmann c3 did it...


EDIT: Although thinking about it its more of a combustion...
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Unread postAuthor: Gun Freak » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:34 pm

It would probably break the PB before it gets out the barrel :lol:
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Re: What does the "x" of the hybrid mix mean!?

Unread postAuthor: Lockednloaded » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:57 pm

killerbanjo wrote:
Also in my design the chamber has two inputs. An air input and a propane input and at the current time it does work on paper but because i have no experience with hybrids im not sure if the chamber has to be "clean" before refilling it again. Does it matter that there is burned up old gas in the chamber when you refill it?

Thanks in advance!


I think you'd be better off using propane's vapor pressure in a pneumatic for simplicity's sake
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:21 pm

Hybrid Cannon Discussion > Sticky: HYBRID FUELING 101


I wouldn't use a hybrid for a paintball gun, normal atmospheric combustion would be more than suitable.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:25 pm

Well, if you sabot the paintballs and use a 10X mix, the vapourised remains of the paintball should make everyone on the field bleed. [/sarcasm]

Don't use a hybrid, a 1X mix (air pressure at sea level, 1 bar) generates 100 PSI. 5X (5 times air pressure at sea level, 5 bar) generates ~500 PSI.

So if I were you, use a paintball gun, there's no way you can match the consistancy, accuracy and rate of fire with a homemade<sup>1</sup>

<sup>1</sup> I know it can be done, but without a fair bit of experience, and a mech that doesn't break balls, it won't happen in a hurry.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:46 am

PVC Arsenal 17 is putting together a combustion launcher with the similar aim of reducing HPA/CO<sub>2</sub> costs, worth checking out.
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Unread postAuthor: LeMaudit » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:28 am

worth checking out.


Fascinating!
I've watching this anim for at least 5 minutes without blinking :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: Insomniac » Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:14 am

The Tippmann C3 is a regular combustion gun. It's not a hybrid in any way, shape or form. And even as a standard combustion, it's plenty fast enough for a paintball gun.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:02 pm

Remember that's a factory made gun, I personally can't see someone building a conventional combustion that will match any commercial device.

I also look forward to PVC Arsenal's combustion, but I wouldn't call that conventional in any way. There's also a pump action combustion in the combustion showcase, if you want to take inspiration from it.
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