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Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:41 am

hectmarr wrote:I already have the two simulators on my pc. What is the difference between both programs? Just to know ...


GGDT is for pneumatic launchers, HGDT is for combustion and hybrid type launchers.
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Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:53 am

okay. I tried to install the simulator on my pc, old pc with window 7), and I get 339 error. Apparently a file is missing. I searched the web and found ´comdlg32.ocx´ to download and try to solve the problem.
I leave in the publication on HGDT the video with the link to download, in case someone happens the same.
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Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:06 am

My question is the following. The volume of the uncompressed mixture, in the simulation with a 2 cm diameter chamber, what is it? I mean how much total length should the compression tube have? and how many X is all this ... :oops:
Answered in your comment. I did not remember. :oops: :oops:

 
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:20 am

hectmarr wrote:The volume of the uncompressed mixture, in the simulation with a 2 cm diameter chamber, what is it? I mean how much total length should the compression tube have? and how many X is all this


In my simulation I assumed that the length of the chamber tube uncompressed was 20cm.

This means that if we compressed it to 10cm, then the mix is 20/10 = 2 and the chamber length is 10cm.

If we compress to 2cm, then the mix is 20/2 = 10 and the chamber length is 2cm.
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:44 pm

Yes, it is already clear what I could not see there. Thank you
 
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:03 pm

I got something but shorter than necessary. I have a 2.1 cm steel tube but the usable length is only 13 cm ... :cry: I thought of using 8X with a mixing volume of 45 cm3 and a combustion chamber length of 1.62 cm. The length of the barrel .25 will be 25 cm, (I will make it myself, so it can be of the length that I want).
I'm going to try like this, I can't do much more. It was impossible to buy a seamless steel tube of 1 cm inside diameter, or here there is nowhere. The minimum commercially available is 1 ". The one I have is a motorcycle shock absorber, of good quality and 1 mm thick.
It is clear that the system has interesting possibilities. As Jack showed in his simulation. With a tube of 1 cm in diameter and 25 bar, this hypothetical weapon would fire at more than 600 fps, (with more speed than my co2 gun, which does it at 450 fps), weighs much less, is smaller and simpler . This without trying to compare two very different things, but I think the energy of unarma like this is interesting. I differentiate well what I can build from what design can potentially give. :roll:
There is the possibility of using a simple rupture disk, without a doubt, and of using more pressure. Apart, with 25 kg of applied force, (can be achieved), the weapon shoots at 32X.
This are the dimensions of the weapon. With a cigarette lighter, it is enough to feed it. With those who have a small built-in valve, to recharge butane. The dispenser is a piece of hose 6 mm inside diameter, 8 cm long. The butane feed group is reduced to a small size. :wink:
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:55 am

Looks good!

I had similar dreams some years ago, the difference is that you are actually making them reality! Respect.

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Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:23 am

I am reviewing the design of your drawing, which you had seen before, to understand well.
For my part, I have to redo everything because it doesn't convince me how the work was. I do not think it is safe to use the photos, because the forces involved when exploding are about 150 to 200 kg, approximately, in the lock of the bolt, (3.46 cm2 x 50 bar). I don't think I can stand ... I have to look for a longer tube. To this attempt I will use it in the bank, not in my hands, and no more than 4x.
From what I could prove, it is possible to reach 8X perfectly, in 2.1 cm of piston diameter. The bb that is the ammunition and the inlet valve of the mixture, works perfectly, and does not let out any air at all. When the piston is pulled, the ball runs a few milliliters and lets air through. It has a neodymium magnet to stay soft and normally closed.
As my friend would say, good try and redo everything again. :wink:
I think the "new" here is to achieve decent pressure, otherwise it is very simple and common. Try to make a video of the prototype with a built-in manometer, so you can see the stage you get compressed.
 
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:42 pm

hectmarr wrote:For my part, I have to redo everything because it doesn't convince me how the work was. I do not think it is safe to use the photos, because the forces involved when exploding are about 150 to 200 kg, approximately, in the lock of the bolt


That is like an average American adult is standing on it! Stay safe!

Try to make a video of the prototype with a built-in manometer, so you can see the stage you get compressed.


Good idea, but don't forget to put a safety valve you can close before firing, otherwise your gauge becomes "uso unico" :?
 
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:03 pm

oh yes of course, the manometers are more or less decent.
Today I won a chess game to the damn experiment, I was playing with him all afternoon! :D
I managed to shoot several times, using as a dispenser, only the firing gun that is in 7 cm. Everything worked perfectly, and with a lot of noise. I am using a cigarette lighter as a reservoir, which must provide the 2 cm3 of butane necessary for combustion. In hybrid it is loading about 40 cm3 of air. I added a bronze tube to the gun to increase the volume of the combustion chamber and to lower the pressure to about 3 - 3.5 bar.
It happens that when I install the pressure gauge to measure what pressure is being compressed, the small hose of the pressure gauge plus the volume of Bourdon tube that the pressure gauge has, lowers the pressure a bit. Heisenberg's "uncertainty principle" applies here, because the measurement varies the results hahahahahaha
I think I'm going for a more powerful prototype, after sniffing the difficulties inherent in the design. I will do it when I get a longer steel tube.
My idea is that with a little more air, about 100 cm3 and about 8 or 9 bar, it will be a good power gun, simple.
I will upload a video to illustrate the experiment. 8)
This is what I am testing, in its simplest version, (which is what interests me).
The ammo moves to the right when the piston aspirates, and aspirates the dose of butane and air. When the piston compresses, the ammunition bb blocks the combustion chamber and the mixture is compressed. :shock:
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Re: Strong boy, (hybrid compressed to muscle)

Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:54 am

This is the "S.B 1", which I am using to test.
It works well, but by adding the bronze tube to increase the volume of the combustion chamber to be able to operate it at less pressure than planned, it surely loses energy through the dead space.
I am using .25 caliber, a common lighter, and everything is built without using resin, (except in the ignition, to avoid air leaks).
These are some pictures of how it looks 8)
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