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Unread postAuthor: ThegunGuy » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:55 am

I was wondering if anyone has ever tried these slugs as ammo? [http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=778041] this place [http://www.balisticproducts.com/] sells them i like them better that midway but i cant get the link to work Another idea can I use a shotgun slug gun barrel as a potato gun barrel? I use wheel weights for lead to cast with a Lyman lead melting pot to melt it. I reload real guns and do that stuff that's also why my name is ThegunGuy.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:42 am

these?

If they have a hollow tail they should fly reasonably well out of a spudgun, but note that the one you linked to needs to be in a wad. Most nominal 3/4" piping will fit 12 gauge wads very nicely, no need to waste a slug barrel unless you want your projectiles rifled.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:20 am

Shotgun slugs in a "spuddy"...now who would have thought of that?

Oh yeah. :D

http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/high-pr ... 12803.html

The problem with most factory foster slugs is that depending on who makes the particular slug, the diameters tend to be pretty random. This causes them to "bounce" their way down most barrels.

The sabot slugs are designed to work in rifled barrels, and are more precise, but they NEED that rifled barrel if you want them to be stable.

An example of smooth bore accuracy with a properly fitting slug can be found here;

http://www.glbarnes.com/field_justice.html


12 guage barrels are nominal .729" by the way.
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Unread postAuthor: ThegunGuy » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:00 pm

This slug caught my attention because it has a large hollow base, it says its a sabot slug but it is really more like a rifled slug minus the rifling or a giant air gun pellet. The caliber of this slug when cast with wheel weight lead will shrink to be about .68 cal like a 16 gauge barrel, which is about the same size as a paintball gun barrel. You can get a shotgun slug barrel for 50-100$ used if you look for good deals. I like shotgun slug barrels because they are rated for pressure more like the pressure a potato gun will put out during firing. I believe a 12 gauge has a pressure rating of 20000 psi but this is rated differently than high pressure piping.
Did you make the molds for the slugs in the first link?
What do you mean by unless you want your projectiles rifled?
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:10 pm

ThegunGuy wrote:What do you mean by unless you want your projectiles rifled?


Yes, I made the molds.

I think if you look again, I said that the sabot slugs needed a rifled barrel to stabilize.
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Unread postAuthor: ThegunGuy » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:36 am

You did these slugs are exactly like an giant match air gun pellet they have the hollow base and everything. You seem to keep getting caught up in the fact that the web page says sabot slug mold. I will test these out of a smooth bore 16 gauge to see if these will work like I think they they will. I don't have a very high powered potato gun to test this out of but a shotgun will provide similar results in accuracy with a cylinder bore.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:36 am

So you intend to fire a .681" slug through a .663" (nominal diameter of a 16 gauge) barrel??

I'll be interested to know how that works for you. :) Maybe you have a .663" sizing die? I believe the size difference may prevent you from simply forcing them into the barrel.

I did go back and have a closer look at the slug, and you are correct in that it is shaped like an airgun pellet. It might prove to be an excellent option if a proper barrel can be found.
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Unread postAuthor: ThegunGuy » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:41 am

I do intend to size it to the proper size it would ruin a great gun if I didn't I'm just testing the overall stability of the slug through the shotgun. I'm probably going to load it to about 450 fps to see if it tumbles or flies straight at 100 yards, I'm not intending to use it practically at that far at that velocity just test its stability. If it won't tumble at 100 yards it won't at 50 yards either.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:23 pm

I did some checking online with my supplier of DOM tube. .875" x .095" has a bore of .685". That's a level of slop that (possibly) can be dealt with by spraying the slugs with graphite lubricant film. :)

re: your above post...not looking to offend, but...

I seriously hope you know what you're doing. The potential for that "little experiment" to turn ugly should not be underestimated. I trust you have experience loading your own?
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Unread postAuthor: inonickname » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:00 am

If you're slugs jam then expect to damage the action/breech/whatever on your shotgun (and perhaps barrel) and hurt yourself. Badly.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:51 am

Here's a study done with slugs from both rifled and unrifled barrels.
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Unread postAuthor: ramses » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:25 am

May I ask who your DOM supplier is?
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Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:34 am

Gippeto wrote:re: your above post...not looking to offend, but...

I seriously hope you know what you're doing. The potential for that "little experiment" to turn ugly should not be underestimated. I trust you have experience loading your own?


If he has the knowledge to be able to calculate the amount of powder to get a mv of 450fps with a certain weight projectile, I'd say he has experience loading...
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:47 pm

Jack, great little article. I enjoyed it. :)

Ramses , Metal Supermarket is where I get my DOM, they cut and ship. (It sucks being in the middle of friggin nowhere. :( )

Jeep, I'm hoping that's the truth, but we both know there are too many who "think" they can because "Hey, I saw it on YouTube." Often they are missing the small details that would allow them to succeed safely.

A degree of caution is never a bad thing IMHO.

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