Login    Register
User Information
Username:
Password:
We are a free and open
community, all are welcome.
Click here to Register
Sponsored
Who is online

In total there are 61 users online :: 6 registered, 0 hidden and 55 guests


Most users ever online was 218 on Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:58 pm

Registered users: Bing [Bot], Exabot [Bot], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], MSNbot Media, Yahoo [Bot] based on users active over the past 5 minutes

The Team
Administrators
Global Moderators
global_moderators.png CS

Wireless router radio-waves - harmful?

All non-spudgun related discussion goes here such as projects, theories, serious questions, etc. All "off-topic" posts (aka useless posting, determined by moderators) will be removed.
Sponsored 
  • Author
    Message

Wireless router radio-waves - harmful?

Unread postAuthor: psycix » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:51 pm

My dad wants to turn off the router at night because he thinks the radiowaves from the wireless is harmfull.
Now I find this VERY annoying because when the router is shut down, I havent got internet.

I think this is complete BS, since 8 other wireless networks of neighbours etc. are also flowing though.

Has anyone got something to proof hes wrong? (or proof that im wrong)

Thanks,
psycix
  • 0

User avatar
psycix
Donating Member
Donating Member
 
Posts: 3684
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:12 am
Location: The Netherlands
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: cannons-go-boom » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:03 pm

I think that he is wrong.
  • 0

Last edited by cannons-go-boom on Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

cannons-go-boom
Specialist
Specialist
 
Posts: 41
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:36 am
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Dornep » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:04 pm

Thats your dad's excuse to keep you off the internet while he's asleep bro!

This sounds kinda like the big urban legend about cell phones and brain cancer.... That myth has been busted a thousand times.

There are much worse things bombarding our brains these days then wireless router signals...
  • 0

User avatar
Dornep
Master Sergeant
Master Sergeant
 
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:49 pm
Location: Florida
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: silverdooty » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:04 pm

offer to make him an tin foil pillow case. then explain to him that the nanobots google/nsa puts in the foil are impervious to router-waves. if he's a reasonable man he should go for it.

other than that listen to your father. the internet will be there in the morning.
  • 0


silverdooty
Staff Sergeant
Staff Sergeant
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:52 pm
Location: old folks home
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: thespeedycicada » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:04 pm

wow they aren't harmful heck i dought that they even have enough energy to even have the slightest physical effect they just pass right on through without the slightest disturbance to anything probaly not even on a molecular scale.To have that type of energy to have any effect on you you would need one hell of a radio emitter or a microwave.What does your dad think its emitting beta/gamma rays?
  • 0

User avatar
thespeedycicada
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Posts: 429
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:28 am
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: spudkilla » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:08 pm

Maybe he does want you looking at P o r n.


Yes, I just said it


:shock:
  • 0

Why do I try to make a relevant post?
User avatar
spudkilla
Master Sergeant
Master Sergeant
 
Posts: 163
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:33 am
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Pete Zaria » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:11 pm

I can absolutely guarantee you that the 2.4 GHz microwave radiation coming from a home wireless router is totally insignificant compared to all of the other wireless radiation going through your body right now.

AM and FM radio...
TV stations...
Cordless phones...
Cell phones... (rumored to be the worst)....
Microwave ovens....
Your neighbor's wifi's, bluetooth, and other wireless devices...

Believe me, the <500mw coming off your router is *nothing* compared to all the other radio waves going through you right this very moment.
Does your dad carry a cell phone? Having a cellphone in direct contact with your body for prolonged periods of time is much worse for you than being in the same room as a wireless router.

And we wonder why humans are getting cancer at a higher and higher rate these days? Damn....

Peace,
Pete Zaria.

PS - I do lots of network security and wireless network configuration for a living...
  • 0

User avatar
Pete Zaria
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 978
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:04 pm
Location: Near Seattle, WA
Reputation: 0

Sponsored

Sponsor
 


Unread postAuthor: Dornep » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:16 pm

Your PC's monitor is doing more harm to your body then the router ever will.

One day my mom comes in my room while I'm at the PC and tells me to stick out my right arm and do my best to keep it up. She put one hand on my wrist, and pushed my arm right down.. No matter how hard I strained I couldn't keep it up. She then put a magnet on my shoulder that she got from her chiropractor and told me to do it again. I actually held out for a few seconds while she pressed on my arm the second time with the magnet.

I'm guessing the the magnet created a magnetic field blocking all the harmful waves that were screwing up the signal my brain was giving my arm. If I do this test away from the computer my mom can hang on my arm like a monkey, in front of the computer I'm as helpless as a lil baby...

Try it for yourselves...
  • 0

User avatar
Dornep
Master Sergeant
Master Sergeant
 
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:49 pm
Location: Florida
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Pete Zaria » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:25 pm

Dornep wrote:One day my mom comes in my room while I'm at the PC and tells me to stick out my right arm and do my best to keep it up. She put one hand on my wrist, and pushed my arm right down.. No matter how hard I strained I couldn't keep it up. She then put a magnet on my shoulder that she got from her chiropractor and told me to do it again. I actually held out for a few seconds while she pressed on my arm the second time with the magnet.
I'm guessing the the magnet created a magnetic field blocking all the harmful waves that were screwing up the signal my brain was giving my arm. If I do this test away from the computer my mom can hang on my arm like a monkey, in front of the computer I'm as helpless as a lil baby...
Try it for yourselves...


Not to offend you whatsoever, but until I see some actual scientific tests, I believe that crystal energy, magnetic therapy, etc... is purely placebo effect.

Don't get me wrong - I believe very much in naturalistic medicine - acupuncture, acupressure, chiropractic, herbal remedies, etc... these have been around for thousands of years and have firm-rooted history to prove their effectiveness - in fact, more so than most western medicine.

But "crystal energy" / magnetic energy as therapy/medicine, in my opinion, is a hoax. Lots of testing has been done on the effects, and with the exception of directly inducing a magnetic field on the brain, it has very little effect on humans.

What you're experiencing is probably partially placebo (because you believe it's going to work, it does) and partially because of where/how you were sitting, etc...
Also, from that angle it's quite easy to push someone's arm down - and maybe your mom (if only subconsciously) wasn't pushing as hard the second time.

Just my two cents. I don't mean to argue/flame/offend you.

Peace,
Pete Zaria.
  • 0

User avatar
Pete Zaria
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 978
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:04 pm
Location: Near Seattle, WA
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Dornep » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:53 pm

I understand where your coming from Pete I didn't think it would make any difference either. Everyone knows that chiropractors don't believe in medication, if it can't be cured naturally o well. Or at least thats how my mom's chiropractor works..

For some reason I don't believe I was having a placebo effect as I had no idea what she was doing.. She never explained what she was going to do or what the magnet was for..

I'm not saying the magnet gave me superhuman strength, what I trying to say is that magnet acted as a microwave jammer of sorts..

I googled this page in which a guy is designing a microwave blocking building material to do away with cell phones in resturants, theaters, etc. His main ingredient is Ferrite..
  • 0

User avatar
Dornep
Master Sergeant
Master Sergeant
 
Posts: 151
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:49 pm
Location: Florida
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:49 pm

I've done a similar thing, hold a cellphone with your arm stretched out, someone can easily push your arm down, swap the cellphone with a banana and you should be able to keep your arm up.

To the OP.... You say you have many wireless networks around your house... well there's your solution, use their wireless :P
  • 0

User avatar
MrCrowley
Moderator
Moderator
 
Posts: 10207
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Country: New Zealand (nz)
Reputation: 4

Unread postAuthor: cannons-go-boom » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:50 pm

Pete Zaria wrote: PS - I do lots of network security and wireless network configuration for a living...


Thats part of what my dad does for a living.
  • 0


cannons-go-boom
Specialist
Specialist
 
Posts: 41
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:36 am
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: psycix » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:21 am

Thanks for all the replys guys. :)
I will tell him next time when he bothers me that ive asked professionals and tell him its undangerous.

That its unharmful i already knew, but he didnt want to believe, so thanks for the backup! :D

To the OP.... You say you have many wireless networks around your house... well there's your solution, use their wireless Razz

they are all secured
And secondly: my pc is connected by cable! I dont even need the wireless, i just need the router wich ALSO gives wireless. (its a Linksys WRT54G)[/quote]
  • 0

User avatar
psycix
Donating Member
Donating Member
 
Posts: 3684
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:12 am
Location: The Netherlands
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: spudgunnerwryyyyy » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:29 am

Well most routers have a function to turn off only the wireless. Usually it is called turning on the radio. This still allows Ethernet traffic though so you could use the internet.
  • 0

User avatar
spudgunnerwryyyyy
1st Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
 
Posts: 261
Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:54 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:40 am

Just start wearing a tinfoil hat when you're in the house, and advise the rest of your family to do so.

If any of your neighbors start asking questions or spreading rumors, you could just tell them you're from France. That always seems to work for me.
  • 0

Last edited by Fnord on Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
User avatar
Fnord
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2244
Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:20 pm
Location: Pripyat
Reputation: 7

Next

Return to Non-Spudgun Related Discussion

Who is online

Registered users: Bing [Bot], Exabot [Bot], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], MSNbot Media, Yahoo [Bot]

Reputation System ©'