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Unread postAuthor: Necrosis » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:33 pm

"After nummerous of incidents involving flying lead, lead now claims to be killing nature, and is fighting a losing battle, help lead kill nature! Shoot lead pellets TODAY!"

But seriously though.

I respect your caring for the environment but the choise gets really slim.
Maybe the .22 prometheus will do, one of <a href="http://www.airgunpellets.com/product.htm">these</a>

Those are the only 3 pellets that fit and are made out of plastic.

I want to order a pack of those to fire and see what happens anyway, so I might just write stuff down about it.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:42 pm

Forget plastic pellets, they will leave strips of plastic in your rifling and are not that accuarate.

I've used these made of a tin alloy in the past, accurate out to 30 yards at least and better penetrators than lead.

Also, remember that a CO2 powered rifle will be temperamental without a regulator, and note that the quoted velocities are actually quite low (well below the UK 12 ft/lbs limit assuming medium weight pellets were used)
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Unread postAuthor: ammosmoke » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:07 pm

Lead really isn't as toxic as people are making it out to be. I mean, the way people talk about it, its as if they think it will make you die a horrible painful death the moment you drink or touch anything having to do with lead whatsoever. There is probably more lead in you local lake that you swim in than any water you will ever encounter. And that doesn't come close to doing anything to you. I handle lead for crying out loud. I haven't been affected. Take smoking weed for instance, it is much more destructive, just more politically accepted. As long as you don't drink water from lead pipes, or from a lake with lead for a bottom, there is really no danger.
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Unread postAuthor: goose_man » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:49 pm

I calculated the muzzle energy for the Talon SS CO2 version. Keep in mind that this calulation is based on assuming that the quoted velocities for the CO2 version use the same weight pellet as the quoted velocities for the more powerful air version. My answer: the CO2 version of the Talon SS has about 6.2 ft/lbs of muzzle energy; that really sucks in comparison to the 15 ft/lbs of muzzle energy that the more powerful air version has. Do you know if Dick's Sporting Goods can fill up a tank to 3000 PSI, or do they just do CO2? It's too late to call them.

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:16 am

There's a report on the CO2 adapter here.

Assuming medium weight pellets, then the muzzle energies would be about 8.5 ft/lbs for the 0.177 verson and 12 ft/lbs for the 0.22 version.

The longer barreled Condor with CO2 will give over 12 ft/lbs in 0.177 and 20 ft/lbs in 0.22 but is probably very loud, I think the SS version is a good idea.
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Unread postAuthor: Necrosis » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:07 am

I think you can get a new valve spring too, that will juice it up to around 30 foortpound on air, but I do not kow for certain.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:35 am

On air the Airforce rifles get very good muzzle energies, due to their excellent inline valve design, and are relatively easy to tune - have a look here.
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Unread postAuthor: goose_man » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:07 am

I guess I did my calculation wrong- oh well. Anyway, I think I'm probably going to go with the .22 version, but I can't decide between CO2 or air. Air will give me more and powerful shots (or I can turn it down and get even more and less powerful shots), but then there is more equipment to buy (scuba or HPA tank, etc.). I definately don't want to pump it up by hand...

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:04 am

The scuba tank is a one time expense (because it doesn't cost much to fill it) and I'm sure you could find a cheap one second hand.
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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:56 am

If you decide to get a Benjamin, baby it when you pump it up. Otherwise, it'll be like mine, with a crooked forestock.

I like the 392, though. I used to shoot 2-liter bottles at 80 yards with the thing off sandbags and a picnic table, (with a few flyers every now and then due to cheap pellets).

As far as pellets are concerned, I would say anything by Beeman. I own a spring piston Gamo and using Kodiak pellets I can get groupings only slightly over what my 953 can shoot with match pellets. I'm kind of pissed at Gamo though because their fricking hinge assembly on the barrel is machined slightly akilter. The barrel is actually angled off from the receiver, leading to excessive sight-adjustment past 30 yards.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:10 am

markfh11q wrote:I'm kind of pissed at Gamo though because their fricking hinge assembly on the barrel is machined slightly akilter. The barrel is actually angled off from the receiver, leading to excessive sight-adjustment past 30 yards.


Save money in the long run, stick to German engineering :D
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Unread postAuthor: windshrike » Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:58 am

Yeah, get a Weihrauch, some Gamos have entirely polymer barrels. NO METAL!!! :shock:
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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:50 am

What happened to “under $250u.s.”?
Screw German engineering, albeit good, it doesn’t compare with the Benji.
Plus the Benji costs less, is made from all metal and wood, and is more than powerful enough to take out small game.

Remember you don’t have to pump it up ten times for each shot; 2-3 is enough for plinking cans out to 15 yards no more than five or six for under 30.

As for lead pellets, LEAD AIN’T POISON!!! I’ve ate after handling lead, well handling lead, I’ve ate food with my fingers black from lead residue and guess what, I ain’t dead!
People eat game after taking it with lead shot/ball and live.
Besides were the heck do you think lead comes from? How ’bout the ground?

You talk about environmentally friendly pellets, but yet you have no problem dumping green house gasses (Co2) in to the atmosphere with each shot.

You want bloody environmentally friendly roll up a piece of recycled paper and make spit wads!


Sorry but, the only accurate pellets are the lead ones. All those lead free ones are junk.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:44 pm

judgment_arms wrote:As for lead pellets, LEAD AIN’T POISON!!! I’ve ate after handling lead, well handling lead, I’ve ate food with my fingers black from lead residue and guess what, I ain’t dead!
People eat game after taking it with lead shot/ball and live.
Besides were the heck do you think lead comes from? How ’bout the ground?


I agree that a few airgun pellets lyings around the woods aren't going to make that much of a difference, but prolonged exposure to lead will do you harm, that's a fact.
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