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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:34 am

Ragnarok wrote:I think people might soil themselves if I told them a 20mm ball bearing from HEAL has a higher Taylor index than a .50 cal FMJ from a Desert Eagle (32.3 against 30.5)


Maybe.... If they had any clue what a Taylor index was :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:37 am

it's a relative measure of "stopping power" god I hate that word, have a look here.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:39 am

I was aware of what it is, but the average person wouldn't be. Therefore no soiling of themselves.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:48 am

Actually, having to explain the equation to them would quite have the opposite effect...
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Unread postAuthor: Novacastrian » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:58 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:it's a relative measure of "stopping power" god I hate that word, have a look here.


What word do you hate JSR? Stopping or Power? :lol:
I think that these formulae contradict each other to be of much use, one is better served by time in the field. I realise that Taylor has had a lot of time downing game animals however there are too many variables to enable an accurate calculation of "stopping power". Ask any cop, he tells you to stop and you do (or should) what is his rating on the Taylor index? :D
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:50 am

It's a better measure that simply quoting ft/lbs, and factors in the width of the wound channel (ie bullet width - though it does not account for expanding ammunition) as well as the velocity and weight, which affects the depth of penetration. This is important, because a wide shallow wound will not be as effective as a narrower wound that goes through the whole target.

This FBI document is a compelling read on the subject.

Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock" of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration. The bullet must pass through the large, blood bearing organs and be of sufficient diameter to promote rapid bleeding. Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.
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Unread postAuthor: Lftndbt » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:58 am

Novacastrian wrote:
frankrede wrote:Seriously, who shoots an avocado pit?
ha I'm sorry but thats just...
Especially at someones property....


It was just today that my MOTHER handed me a nicely washed Avocado pit and said "There you go, should be a good thing to shoot out of one of your guns" :lol:
I am being honest too.. what a Mother :queen:




You should let her to put some holes through thing's. She'd love it!
Has she ever asked to "have a go" ?
What a tops mum!! :)
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Unread postAuthor: Novacastrian » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:15 am

My mother is a keen airifle shooter and has also shot my piston co-ax.
However i can not convince her to fire my mini-hybrid
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Maybe i'll try a bit harder, i don't see why one would not enjoy it!
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Unread postAuthor: mega_swordman » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:53 am

Now I personally think that this is not putting a bad light on spudguns, but on just how stupid and irresponsible people are. I think it is common that members of the forum instantly think that people will assume that this was the fault of the spudgun, but upon reading this I put more blame on the person.
Yes, it did mention a spud cannon, but it is only a tool. It could have been molotov cocktails, and I wouldn't put the blame on the avaliblility of molotov cocktails. It would still remain on the fault of the person. So I think that people aren't putting a bad light on spud guns, and I don't think anybody will use this article against the use of spudguns. (In fact, I'm not sure many other people will see this article)
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Unread postAuthor: Mr. Beaver » Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:07 am

im think his right, it definitely was the guys fault if it was more like: "a bunch of kids downloaded a 'spud gun' plans from the internet when trying to use it, it exploded and cause serious damage to the kids and the enviorment..." this would be called bad publicity. this thing is just stupidness and lack of responsibility :!:
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Unread postAuthor: psycix » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:07 am

Why did he say he fired it?
IF I would do such thing (wich I wont but IF) and I would get caught, then I would say I just threw them or used a slingshot of some sort.

"Based on witness statements, police went to Schou’s home, where he admitted to firing the pits."

Another thing, IF you would INTENTIONALLY want to fire through the window of some1, why do it when there are people around?! How dumb can you be.
Its like doing a robbery but looking straight and unmasked into the camera.


All together: this person is dumber then the spuds I launch.
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Unread postAuthor: Lftndbt » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:39 am

psycix wrote:Why did he say he fired it?
IF I would do such thing (wich I wont but IF) and I would get caught, then I would say I just threw them or used a slingshot of some sort.

"Based on witness statements, police went to Schou’s home, where he admitted to firing the pits."

Another thing, IF you would INTENTIONALLY want to fire through the window of some1, why do it when there are people around?! How dumb can you be.
Its like doing a robbery but looking straight and unmasked into the camera.


All together: this person is dumber then the spuds I launch.




I'm pretty sure it said they found the cannon and the used aerosol..... ;) Maybe that was after he admitted , not sure...
There were other pip's around the area, so I'd guess it was a stray or mis-calculation......
And I would completley agree with you, he is dumber then the spuds you shoot....! :) but atleast your spuds don't break other people's window's and he did.... ;) So perhaps he is even dumber....
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Unread postAuthor: bob-a-lu » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:37 pm

ahh more retards making potato guns to do dumb $h!t.
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Unread postAuthor: schmanman » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:42 pm

Ragnarok wrote:I think people might soil themselves if I told them a 20mm ball bearing from HEAL has a higher Taylor index than a .50 cal FMJ from a Desert Eagle (32.3 against 30.5)


hmmm.... I wonder what an 800 fps six pound steel slug from the swat would be rated on the taylor index..... :twisted:
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:59 pm

schmanman wrote:hmmm.... I wonder what an 800 fps six pound steel slug from the swat would be rated on the taylor index..... :twisted:

Erm, about 10,000 - assuming that it's a 2" bore.
The .50 BMG is only ~150... and that's more than enough to stop an elephant.

10,000... I really wouldn't want to get in the way of it, put it that way. If I ever hear about a radioactive rampaging elephant that's 60 times the normal size, I'll get in contact with you.
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