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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:20 pm

Ah, but we're drifting into biological warfare here. You'll have to have a carry permit for your nose everytime you catch a cold :D
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Unread postAuthor: beebs111 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:34 pm

to the person who suggested a leg-shot: Bad idea. in order to shoot someone in self defense your life needs to be in danger, and what the court will see with a shot to the leg, is well if your life was in danger why didn't you try to kill the attacker. if you are in the position where you need to use your weapon, shoot to kill.
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Unread postAuthor: JDAX23 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:54 pm

I dont think that they should be able to carry guns. Just because I was carrying a gun does not mean that i would be in the right place at the right time to use it against the attacker. Most campuses are fairly large and odds are against you in that matter. Say I have a gun, and im in my room studying. An attacker goes into an auditorium and starts shooting... big help im gonna be when I probably wont hear about it for a long time. And why should everyone carry guns on campus? I think that would do more harm then good. Most college kids party and drink correct? if someone gets drunk(even though they have no felonies, and have met all the qualifications) and gets angry, and starts shooting, what then? Not only that, just because you dont have any felonies or things of that nature does not mean you wont at some point get enraged and put all your morals aside and shoot someone. thats just how I feel about it.
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Unread postAuthor: paaiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:14 pm

JDAX23 wrote:Most college kids party and drink correct? if someone gets drunk(even though they have no felonies, and have met all the qualifications) and gets angry, and starts shooting, what then?


1. We are talking about guns on-campus. Not at a party. Unless people are in the school buildings getting drunk, that point has no validity.

2. If someone loses their mind and decides to go on a killing spree, again, not a valid point in this argument. If they want to do it, they'll do it, laws or no laws.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:26 pm

Technically you are already allowed to have a gun at a party if you have a concealed weapons license, no? I don't hear of too many drunk shootings at the moment.... :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: JDAX23 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:51 pm

At the recent NIU shooting, campus security responded in a matter of 2 or 3 minutes. By this time, several were already dead. When seconds matter, the police are there in minutes. Unless there is an armed guard in virtually every hallway, you cannot protect an entire campus.


If someone loses their mind and decides to go on a killing spree, again, not a valid point in this argument. If they want to do it, they'll do it, laws or no laws.


k so lets see, by reading the first post you can see that someone going crazy and going to a college and shooting people is indeed have relevant, hence the complaining about the guards taking so long... :roll:

We are talking about guns on-campus. Not at a party. Unless people are in the school buildings getting drunk, that point has no validity.


hmmm so i guess when people go to a party they dont return to their dorms do they?? they just sleep outside or something? :shock:
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:59 pm

You missed my quote, have anything to say about it? :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: sunrunner20 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:50 pm

I Can't find it in all these pages. But the law is very clear... No guns on school campus even with a CCWL.
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Unread postAuthor: paaiyan » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:52 pm

sunrunner20 wrote:I Can't find it in all these pages. But the law is very clear... No guns on school campus even with a CCWL.


Pardon me for being incredibly blunt but, hello Captain Obvious, nice to meet you. That's the law we're talking about changing here.

Kids these days...
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:59 pm

sunrunner20 wrote:I Can't find it in all these pages. But the law is very clear... No guns on school campus even with a CCWL.


Technically you are already allowed to have a gun at a party if you have a concealed weapons license, no? I don't hear of too many drunk shootings at the moment....


You weren't replying to that, were you? Because I mean people can still take guns to piss-ups but they either don't, or no one seems to get shot. I've never heard of a person getting shot by a drunk young adult at a party.

So the argument that you can't trust these Students because they may take the gun to a party, seems irrelevant.
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Unread postAuthor: JDAX23 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:02 am

You missed my quote, have anything to say about it?


haha yes yes sorry mr crowley... your right about having a gun at a party but if this party is on campus, which is not only limited to the school buildings Paaiyan...lots of campuses are large, and have a lot of land, which frat houses are on... so parties in and outside of these houses(which are on the campus)count
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:08 am

But surely there are plenty of piss-ups outside campus? Not sure who would, but technically if you have the concealed license, you could bring a gun, no?

I just haven't heard of anyone getting shot by a drunk student at said piss-ups.
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Unread postAuthor: TurboSuper » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:12 am

Well not every incident creates a huge spectacle, sometimes the crisis is averted and that makes for terrible news...
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Unread postAuthor: sunrunner20 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:33 am

Texas Prohibited locations for a concealed weapon.
Oh, and Texas has some of the loosest gun laws of any state.
Places Weapons Prohibited

(a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;

(2) on the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress;

(3) in any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court;

(4) on the premises of a racetrack; or

(5) in or into a secured area of an airport.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (a)(1)-(4) that the actor possessed a firearm while in the actual discharge of his official duties as a member of the armed forces or national guard or a guard employed by a penal institution, or an officer of the court.

(c) In this section:

(1) "Premises" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035.

(2) "Secured area" means an area of an airport terminal building to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property under federal law.

(d) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as:

(1) a member of the armed forces or national guard;

(2) a guard employed by a penal institution; or

(3) a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies if:

(A) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and

(B) the firearm or club is in plain view; or

(4)*

*(deleted by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318.)

(5) a security officer who holds a personal protection authorization under the Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies Act (Article 4413(29bb), Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes).

(e) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(5) that the actor checked all firearms as baggage in accordance with federal or state law or regulations before entering a secured area.

(f) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor possessed a handgun and was licensed to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.

(g) An offense under this section is a third degree felony.

(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(4) that the actor possessed a firearm or club while traveling to or from the actor's place of assignment or in the actual discharge of duties as a security officer commissioned by the Texas Board of Private Investigators and Private Security Agencies, if:

(1) the actor is wearing a distinctive uniform; and

(2) the firearm or club is in plain view.
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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:50 am

Thank you again Captain Obvious. Your insight on this matter is most forthcoming, I mean geez with out you reiterating the post topic every other sentence what would we do?
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