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Unread postAuthor: bigbob12345 » Wed May 21, 2008 10:38 pm

I agree with the judge in this situation.
And turbosuper, i see nothing wrong with some guy walking around with a nuke if he isnt going to use it.
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Unread postAuthor: TwitchTheAussie » Wed May 21, 2008 10:39 pm

Honestly I'd rather carry a knife. Easier and simpler to use. If this idiot was stupid enough to get caught anyway he deserves to be in jail. Besides me being less threatened in Australia, I dont need to carry a .45 everywhere I go. We might have gang bashings and stabbings but we hardly ever get guys toting guns so knuckle dusters here I come.
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Unread postAuthor: TurboSuper » Wed May 21, 2008 10:46 pm

bigbob12345 wrote:I agree with the judge in this situation.
And turbosuper, i see nothing wrong with some guy walking around with a nuke if he isnt going to use it.


And how do you know he wasn't going to use it? People don't usually carry around .40 cal guns as paperweights, yaknow. Especially 14 year olds, they have an age limit for a reason.

Anyways, I'm done arguing about this, if you really think all kids should have guns as long as they promise not to use them, fine by me. I'll be off here, where they have some degree of common sense, watching the fun :D
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Unread postAuthor: benstern » Wed May 21, 2008 10:47 pm

TurboSuper wrote:What you need to consider here is foresight: It's better that he gets it taken away from him before he decides to "bother" someone.


That is flawed logic. Removing someones defenses to counter a very small chance of offense is never the way to go. How would you like someone seizing all your bb guns and spudguns just because some retard used one on a person?

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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Wed May 21, 2008 10:51 pm

TurboSuper wrote:Alright, fine then, by your logic I should be able to carry a nuclear warhead in my backpack "as long as I'm not bothering anyone with it"?

What you need to consider here is foresight: It's better that he gets it taken away from him before he decides to "bother" someone.

It's a moot point anyways, the law's the law, he broke it and that's that.


Go ahead and lug around a nuclear warhead, just if you try and set it off know that I’ll take your head off.

You see, if every body, or at least every other person, also had a gun then there wouldn’t be anything to worry about.

You see, your lookin’ at it all wrong, you don’t deny a man the right, you encourage others to fallow his lead and stand up for them self’s, rather then expecting the government to take care of them.

And it’s not a “moot point”, the law you’re talking about is denying people there constitutional right so therefore that “law” is “moot”.

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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed May 21, 2008 11:02 pm

Benstern even the concealed carry on campus wants a 21yr age limit.

JA likes his ammendment and thats fine by me, but I think he's nuts to say that it's fine for a kid who can't even buy a drink to be toting a firearm in school.

There are age limits to hopefully ensure people have a sufficient level of responsibility for certain actions.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed May 21, 2008 11:12 pm

We all know where this is going, and it will not last. Theopia was made for a reason, so either share your personal stories of similar cases or comment on the original topic. No gun politics.


Back on topic - Why do you guys have 'lockdown'?

Is it to stop a possible school shooter from shooting everyone as they run from class? Isn't keeping students in unsecured area just as bad?
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Unread postAuthor: Lentamentalisk » Thu May 22, 2008 12:45 am

well when we had lockdown, due to an armed robbery (student robbed another with a gun across the street then ran into school.) They wanted everyone out of the halls so that they could search for the gun that he hid with out student interference. They caught him beforehand I guess, but couldn't find his gun.
I was the one to come across it a day later, in the locker room, and I was freaked out as hell, cuz it was an uzi. It turned out to just be a BB gun, but it looked real as hell.
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Unread postAuthor: Hydra » Thu May 22, 2008 1:44 am

In Australia nothing like this ever happens. Its kinda scary how this happens alot in other countries.




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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu May 22, 2008 2:33 am

judgment_arms wrote:“…the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed.”


The right to wear sleeveless shirts?

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Unread postAuthor: BC Pneumatics » Thu May 22, 2008 2:33 am

MrCrowley wrote:Back on topic - Why do you guys have 'lockdown'?

Is it to stop a possible school shooter from shooting everyone as they run from class? Isn't keeping students in unsecured area just as bad?


Here, the teachers are supposed to heard everyone into the class, left to their own discretion who to let in. I am fairly confident they would not usher in the kid with the gun. The doors are then locked and blinds pulled. This year we had peep holes installed in all the doors so that teachers could look out. Apparently someone brought up in a meeting that the instructions were to "Shut and lock doors, shut windows/blinds, and stay away from windows." But to also "Visually confirm identity before letting anybody in."
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Thu May 22, 2008 2:45 am

Nothing like a bullet in the eye then? Surely those doors could be forced open, especially if one had anything like a .45 or a semi/fully-automatic.

I think it'd be better to cause chaos and panic, especially if there is only one shooter. He/she (shooter) doesn't have eyes in the back of their heads.
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Unread postAuthor: TwitchTheAussie » Thu May 22, 2008 4:33 am

@Hydra before the new laws and before anybody really cared about abo's you'd be surprised how many got shot. Myall Creek Massacre for instance.

@JSR typical :lol:

As for lockdown I think thats just giving the shooter a reason for taking hostages.
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Unread postAuthor: psycix » Thu May 22, 2008 5:38 am

Lockdown would only give the shooter a better opportunity to kill more people.
If a psychotic manic with a gun would try to kill everyone, and the school is locked down, he can do it classroom by classroom. Very efficient though.... :roll:

I think it'd be better to cause chaos and panic, especially if there is only one shooter. He/she (shooter) doesn't have eyes in the back of their heads.


Indeed, if everyone in the chaos just jumped on the shooter, he would not get the chance of fireing more then one or two shots.
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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Thu May 22, 2008 9:39 am

Grr… fine, MrCrowley, no more gun politics…

My two cents ($0.02u.s.d. (non transferable)) on lockdowns:
Tactically sound if:
The SWAT team is there
Guys with guns didn’t blend in with the rest of the students
Walls, doors, and windows were all bulletproof
Every room was outfitted with a cal. .30 to watch the door when they open it for somebody.
Every room had hidden security camera so that they could see who was on the other side of the door with out even going near it.
And finally, every kid had a label on his forehead that could be scanned by an electronic eye as they file in the door so that they know if anybody’s missing. Guy with gun is the kid not scanned.

Otherwise, lockdown = government funded deathtrap


Also, what happens if the kid brings in homemade frags, one for each room…
Or places bombs throughout the year in each room, then brings the gun and gets a lockdown place and then detonates the bombs…
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