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Unread postAuthor: microman171 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:08 am

Nice work magnum. The nerf is definatly the heavy weapons tool of destruction. How about using something like a soda can and having a parachute on it? That way you can have any old metal object that will just hurt a bit...
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Unread postAuthor: magnum9987 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:12 pm

The problem is, that with airsoft, artillery is not a necessity. You would need scouts to determine the location of the target. And then a sniper could pick the target off, even though not en mass. Another thing is, a lot of people are safety nazis, they wouldn't let anything on a field. Then, when stuff gets too complicated, it becomes the m16 all over again. Stuff doesnt work as well when it gets complicated. What you, dyi suggest is just too complicated what we have designed in this thread works as is. Of course, it can be improved and better stuff could be made, but what we have now is good. It will suit our needs, and like i said, complicated stuff tend not to work as well as a simple thing. I think what we are looking for has been found.

Despite the above "Speech" I have a new idea. A shell has large wings that spring out when the shell leaves the barrel. This allows for the shell to glide. Then via a home made Improvised radio trigger, could detonate on command via pressing a co2 cartridge in. This same action deploys a large parachute when activated which brings the glider to a stop and brings it safely to ground.
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Unread postAuthor: microman171 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:18 pm

Sounds good. Loking forward for you to start working on it :D
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Unread postAuthor: magnum9987 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:20 pm

Ok we now have four ideas.
PArachute
Glider
Grenade Launcher
Nerf

We should draft up dimensions for these guns and work on actual designs
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Unread postAuthor: DYI » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:53 pm

what we have designed in this thread works as is


So you have:

A parachute, which can only open at the apogee, is prone to tangles and failures, and will only allow the BBs to reach their terminal velocity on the way down.

A glider, which is difficult to build, could probably kill someone if it hit them directly, needs a complex mechanism for pressing a CO<sub>2</sub> cartridge with sufficient force to rupture the valve, which probably won't even rupture the round, and requires a radio link to work at all.

A grenade launcher that won't have much more range than a hand grenade.

A Nerf rocket, which has very limited range, and can only hit one person even if it could somehow be shot accurately.

Two of these ideas are significantly more prone to failure than my idea, one is a lot more complex and expensive, and the other two would hardly even work. Remember, simplicity is only good if it doesn't impede function. This isn't going to be incredibly simple no matter how you do it.
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Unread postAuthor: Davidvaini » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:16 pm

you guys are over complicating all of this.

2" SCH 40 barrel with (2) 3oz Dixie cups loaded with bb's and taped with 1 strip of clear scotch tape.
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Unread postAuthor: magnum9987 » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:21 pm

DYI: You your self said that the grenade launcher could get 50-100 feet, which is well more than a handheld grenade can go, and with the purpose stated earlier (field gun), that is the ideal range.

Davidvaini: what is preventing this mechanism from bursting right out of the barrel? Besides, that would carry so little ammo.

The glider system could also use a sabot. The mechanism can be controlled by ripping apart a few walkie talkies (Shooty Kaboomy!) and when you send a message it goes to bbq igniter system in a tiny combustion chamber, providing sufficient force to open the chamber. And if it tipped with foam then it will be perfectly safe, as the wings would have to be made of styrofoam to maintain a light weight. I've als toyed with the idea of adding a small air hogs engine rigged with a couple nine volts, for a drastically increased range.

The parachute's only problem is that the parachute may not open. But than can easily fixed if the parachute is stored properly and made tangle free on the shell.

You chastised me for discussing explosives when you are now talking about firing a chamber to hold an oxy/fuel reaction? But I really can not talk, as I just said it above. And unless you've fired something of the like before, you cannot guarantee your sparkler fuse will not be put out upon launch. Almost everything discussed thus far hear is almost entirely theoretical, so their are no guarantees about anything we are doing. Only speculation and experience.
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Unread postAuthor: Sticky_Tape » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:56 pm

This is probably a better concept downfall small amont of bbs 500-800.
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Unread postAuthor: magnum9987 » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:29 am

DRoge? what exactly is that?
SO your system relies on the centrifugal force created when the parachute opens on the bottom? Wouldn't inertia and air resistance keep the parachute on the underside?
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Unread postAuthor: iknowmy3tables » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:04 pm

magnum9987 wrote:The problem is, that with airsoft, artillery is not a necessity. You would need scouts to determine the location of the target. And then a sniper could pick the target off, even though not en mass.


the reason we want artillery in because of that one guy we see and can't do squat about because of a #!$%* little sheet of plywood, we want indirect firepower the same reason they have frag grenades. So to this day we present numerous busting projectile ideas in hopes of a safe simple and practical solution. The concept of antimaterial (not antimatter just stuff like HE or high cal bullets that penetrate the stuff the guy hides behind) is impossible in airsoft because damage to objects most like means potential damage to people, however the concept of indirect firepower is possible and useful in combat
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Unread postAuthor: ramses » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:12 pm

i like the idea with the oxy-propane balloon, but i think that it could use some improvement. first, having the fuse lit while loading it seems a little unsafe. i attached a rough diagram detailing my idea. it could be made of whatever material you like. pad it if you want.

i know you are all thinking about using massive pipe, but that will take A LOT of bb's to fill. 3" should be fine...
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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:25 pm

What do ya’ think:
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Sleeve (blue) holds warhead (green) closed.
Sleeve is attached to all-thread rod (red)
Rear fins (dark brown) are set to unscrew all-thread when in flight
All-thread is threaded into fuse block (grey)
Fragmentation (not shown) is stored forward of fuse block
Parachute (not shown) is stored behind fuse block and is attached to front of the warhead’s “leaves” and to the sleeve
Forward fins (light brown) prevent the warhead from rotating with all-thread tail section

To adjust for different ranges thread all-thread to different depths, the further in the longer the delay.

Once fired fins unfold and tail starts spinning
Once tail has fully unthreaded all-thread, sleeve will fall off allowing the
parachute to slow and stop the shell to prevent injury of combatants and opens warhead to disperse fragmentation.


Sorry for the crude drawing, it took me about 5 minutes to draw and 20 minutes to explain how it works :D
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Unread postAuthor: Davidvaini » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:36 pm

funny thing is the dixie cups actually work. The plastic holds for the initial blast but after some distance from air resistance it opens up.

2 Dixie cups taped together can hold about 300BBs. It has already been tested and fired by me and it works.

Loaded into the barrel its fired... travels for a while then the cups break apart. isn't that what you want?
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Unread postAuthor: biged » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:06 pm

I use water balloons, tennis balls and only recently started using saboted nerf rockets. I have managed to destroy many nerfs in one shot. Tail blows off and they turn inside out. I now sabot them by shoving the the tail inside pool noodles and launch them out of a 2.625 bore barrel.

For water balloons I use a pump sprayer to fill them in the field. Put them in a 10oz dixie cup and launch them from a breech loader. I get the best range with water balloons x6 that of an aeg. Water balloons are fun even in the woods, the target gets misted lightly. I usually hear about at the end of the day. Scored a direct hit on top of the head of one individual at one event.

Tennis balls a great! If I am long, or over shoot a target with one ball. I just load 2-10 balls in at once, and bombard the target. Great for buildings and bunkers.

I do require a 4 man squad. An RTO, Loader, Support gunner and Rifleman. The map coordinates are radioed and we are successful about 80% of the time. The other 20% is due to heavy canopy or long range.

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Unread postAuthor: koolaidman » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:16 pm

No one? does anyone think this will work. The tail setup and sabot is probably unnecesary. This seems to be the only thing i can think of that does not contain explosives. also, this is garunteed to actuate. It could be made of light materials as well.
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