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Unread postAuthor: SpudMonster » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:22 pm

magnum9987 wrote:The blues was spin off of rock in the early 50s, often with a depressing beat (no sh!t).


I call bullshit. MAJOR bullshit.

The blues predates rock by decades. "Dallas Blues" by Hart A. Wand was recorded in 1912. Its actual composition was probably prior to 1909. There are literally hundreds of blues musicians who recorded in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, and 50s. Mississippi John Hurt, Charley Patton, Robert Johnson, W.C. Handy, Sleepy Joe Estes, Son House, Blind Willie McTell, Memphis Slim, and Robert Wilkins to name a few. Rock was formed in the late 1940s to early 50s, with blues being one of its major influences.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:43 pm

...The blues predates rock by decades. "Dallas Blues" by Hart A. Wand was recorded in 1912... Rock was formed in the late 1940s to early 50s, with blues being one of its major influences...


Yep, And if you go back further "Blues" comes from "Bluegrass" (Shortened) Which comes from Scottish and Irish folk music played by settlers of America...(Perhaps) :wink:

Here's A vid I just found that sounds like Iron Maiden a little. Check out the animation! :shock:

But by far The Sword Is still my current favorite. This song lyrics (Click more info) reminds me of some boat strategies for when the zombie dukie hit's the fan!!! :lol: 8)

EDIT: I knew The Sword was Good for war music! Reminds me of JSR's museum visit post!
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Unread postAuthor: mobile chernobyl » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:18 pm

And getting back on topic........ :wink:

This topic was interesting because a couple friends and I are making a road trip north, and we decided to each contribute 10 songs to the playlist. I like almost all genres of music (except fvcking EMO), In reality I like all music that has any substance (EMO doesn't). I like exposing people to new music in hopes that they will come to appreciate ALL types of music (except fvcing EMO), or justt listen to something new they have never heard before. I really hate people who will actually turn down music before they listen to it all the way through (Unless its fvcking EMO), sorry just a personal pet peeve of mine. I tend to listen to new music, or music recently published in the last 10 years. I'm not much of a classic rock fan, I don't know why, maybe just the over abundance of it while I grew up and I got tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. I like new, and change, classic rock doesn't do that for me. Although I do realize you must understand the past to create the future, so it's not that I don't like it - I just prefer other music over it.

Here are 10 songs I picked for the trip, not exactly underground music, but music that was popular in its day perhaps, or just a good song on a CD where another single got more credit. They're not my top 10 ever, as I have never even heard most of them before I made the list. I made the list searching on IMEEM.com, and its a great way to expose yourself to songs from an artist you may or may not have ever known. If I had to pick a favorite genre of mine, it would be alternative rock from the 90's, especially from '95-'00.

Heres my 10 list, and the last 2 are 2 of my fav's.

Lit – Addicted
El-P – Flyentology (Cassette’s won’t listen remix)
Oasis – Do you know what I mean?
Jimmies Chicken Shack – Another day
Kula Shaker – Hey Dude
Bass Hunter – Russia Privjet
Alabama 3 – Bullet Proof
G. Love & Special Sauce - Recipe
Hilltop Hoods – Roll on up (Restrung)
Gluecifer – Car full of stash
Rage against the machine - Roll right
Pressure 4-5 - Beat the world

About your statement that good music comes from the UK, or even Europe to be more broad - I can agree with that. Not ALL good music, but certain genres certainly are better coming from across the pond. I like alot of the "britpop" as it seems like a pretty broad genre, and has alot of good material.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:29 pm

mobile chernobyl wrote:About your statement that good music comes from the UK, or even Europe to be more broad - I can agree with that. Not ALL good music, but certain genres certainly are better coming from across the pond.

That's not quite what I was wondering. In this global internet age, there is nothing preventing me listening to music from anywhere on the planet... so the technological and distance barriers to the propagation of music are pretty much removed, and I was wondering how much a culture affects the music it creates.

I know there are significant differences... actually, shortly before I posted the thread, I had been trying something with my mother where I played music from artists she didn't know, and having her guess the country of origin. She got a surprising number right.

I don't fuss myself with the exact genre of my music - if I like something, I don't care if it's nominally Metal, Emo, Folk, Pop, Punk, or whatever. I don't see I'm forced to be labelled by the music I like.

If the genre and meaning of a song seriously had any significance, then my head would have exploded when I first listened to Stairway to Heaven.
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Unread postAuthor: mobile chernobyl » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:48 pm

Ragnarok wrote:I know there are significant differences... actually, shortly before I posted the thread, I had been trying something with my mother where I played music from artists she didn't know, and having her guess the country of origin. She got a surprising number right.


That is interesting. Putting it that way, I don't think I could geuss the country of origin as well. I would have never geussed half the good artist I like came from the UK. Continue on....
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Unread postAuthor: daxspudder » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:39 am

THUNDERLORD wrote:
...The blues predates rock by decades. "Dallas Blues" by Hart A. Wand was recorded in 1912... Rock was formed in the late 1940s to early 50s, with blues being one of its major influences...


Yep, And if you go back further "Blues" comes from "Bluegrass" (Shortened) Which comes from Scottish and Irish folk music played by settlers of America...(Perhaps) :wink:

Here's A vid I just found that sounds like Iron Maiden a little. Check out the animation! :shock:

But by far The Sword Is still my current favorite. This song lyrics (Click more info) reminds me of some boat strategies for when the zombie dukie hit's the fan!!! :lol: 8)

EDIT: I knew The Sword was Good for war music! Reminds me of JSR's museum visit post!


wrong.
blues while it originated from the same region as bluegrass, is entirely different, blues, like jazz was created by freed slaves in NOLA/surrounding areas, bluegrass is very creole in nature, and was created by French settlers in the same area(often with the same instruments), the most notable current bluegrass musicians play a hybrid bluegrass/Celtic style(doesn't make the origin Ireland/whatever you were inferring). And yes, rock was greatly predated by blues and jazz, and many of its originators were influenced by those genres.

EDIT: forgot about all the non americans, NOLA is New Orleans, LouisianA
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Unread postAuthor: iPaintball » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:18 am

Eric Johnson – Cliffs of Dover (live, House of Blues)

F**K YES. Oddly enough, not very many people have heard that song (as far as I know) I just finished learning the intro solo so I pretty much got it down. :D

Apart from that:

Master of Puppets - Metallica
Enter Sandman - Metallica
Crazy Train - Ozzy Osbourne (Randy Rhoads, FTW)
Sweet Child o' Mine - Guns 'n' Roses
Welcome to the Jungle - Guns 'n' Roses
Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin (Duh)
Under the Bridge - Red Hot Chili Peppers
Can't Stop - Red Hot Chili Peppers
Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix
Little Wing - Jimi Hendrix
Blackbird - The Beatles
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:32 am

daxspudder wrote:
THUNDERLORD wrote:
...The blues predates rock by decades. "Dallas Blues" by Hart A. Wand was recorded in 1912... Rock was formed in the late 1940s to early 50s, with blues being one of its major influences...


Yep, And if you go back further "Blues" comes from "Bluegrass" (Shortened) Which comes from Scottish and Irish folk music played by settlers of America...(Perhaps) :wink: ...


wrong.
blues while it originated from the same region as bluegrass, is entirely different, blues, like jazz was created by freed slaves in NOLA/surrounding areas, bluegrass is very creole in nature, and was created by French settlers in the same area(often with the same instruments), the most notable current bluegrass musicians play a hybrid bluegrass/Celtic style(doesn't make the origin Ireland/whatever you were inferring). And yes, rock was greatly predated by blues and jazz, and many of its originators were influenced by those genres.

EDIT: forgot about all the non americans, NOLA is New Orleans, LouisianA


Wrong huh? Prove it.
Revisitionalist historians are all alike always stating that they are correct. Never that it's a theory. All knowing because it's "fact"! Never "perhaps"

So "freed slaves" just invented entirely European instruments coincidently... the same format as Scottish Irish bluegrass "while it originated from the same region"
That's about like stating classical predates rap, so rap comes from classical! Besides NOLA you totally discredit "Mississipi Delta Blues" (which comes from Scottish/Irish Folk music as well, just played slightly different by whoever) showing you don't even know your own side of the arguement.

PROOF: How come all the good modern rock is still played by dominantly those of European decent with few exceptions? :roll: 8)
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Unread postAuthor: SpudMonster » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:23 am

THUNDERLORD wrote:
daxspudder wrote:
THUNDERLORD wrote:
...The blues predates rock by decades. "Dallas Blues" by Hart A. Wand was recorded in 1912... Rock was formed in the late 1940s to early 50s, with blues being one of its major influences...


Yep, And if you go back further "Blues" comes from "Bluegrass" (Shortened) Which comes from Scottish and Irish folk music played by settlers of America...(Perhaps) :wink: ...


wrong.
blues while it originated from the same region as bluegrass, is entirely different, blues, like jazz was created by freed slaves in NOLA/surrounding areas, bluegrass is very creole in nature, and was created by French settlers in the same area(often with the same instruments), the most notable current bluegrass musicians play a hybrid bluegrass/Celtic style(doesn't make the origin Ireland/whatever you were inferring). And yes, rock was greatly predated by blues and jazz, and many of its originators were influenced by those genres.

EDIT: forgot about all the non americans, NOLA is New Orleans, LouisianA


Wrong huh? Prove it.
Revisitionalist historians are all alike always stating that they are correct. Never that it's a theory. All knowing because it's "fact"! Never "perhaps"

So "freed slaves" just invented entirely European instruments coincidently... the same format as Scottish Irish bluegrass "while it originated from the same region"
That's about like stating classical predates rap, so rap comes from classical! Besides NOLA you totally discredit "Mississipi Delta Blues" (which comes from Scottish/Irish Folk music as well, just played slightly different by whoever) showing you don't even know your own side of the arguement.

PROOF: How come all the good modern rock is still played by dominantly those of European decent with few exceptions? :roll: 8)


I don't get how you guys are coming up with Jazz being the result of freed slaves, nor bluegrass and the blues being intimate bedfellows. They share some similarities, but they aren't brothers. Jazz didn't start until the beginning of the 20th century; 40 years after the emancipation proclamation.
And THUNDERLORD, what's with you saying that freed slaves invented european instruments "coincidentally"? Hell, the banjo was invented by African slaves.
Bluegrass is descended from Irish, British and Scottish folk music, especially the immigrants that settled in the Appalachian mountains.
The Blues are descended from African spirituals, work songs, chants, and rhymed ballads.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:35 am

EDIT: Dang first time I accidentally double posted.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:58 am

SpudMonster wrote:...
And THUNDERLORD, what's with you saying that freed slaves invented european instruments "coincidentally"? Hell, the banjo was invented by African slaves.
Bluegrass is descended from Irish, British and Scottish folk music, especially the immigrants that settled in the Appalachian mountains.
The Blues are descended from African spirituals, work songs, chants, and rhymed ballads.


Great now say I said it. Obviously you didn't notice the quotation marks on "freed slaves"

Tell me this: How would "African spirituals, work songs, chants, and rhymed ballads" sound without the Scottish-Irish format of bluegrass or the bluegrass style of instruments it's BASED on?

Also, What exactly does the banjo have to do with any of this?
Next you'll be trying to tell me peanut butter was "invented" like nobody would have put peanuts in a blender.
To sum it up sounds like you've been hoodwinked by revisionalist historians as well. (Atleast I gave good evidence to prove my own theory).

Enough of this anyway. Now I've wasted time I could've been looking at Larda's hybrid post.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:23 am

iPaintball wrote:
Eric Johnson – Cliffs of Dover (live, House of Blues)

F**K YES. Oddly enough, not very many people have heard that song (as far as I know) I just finished learning the intro solo so I pretty much got it down. :D

Well, it was on Guitar Hero 3, so it's likely more people have heard it than you might think.

What you think of Guitar Hero is up to you, but it's good for silly parties - I only ever play it when I'm at friends houses, but I still managed to give someone who plays it the whole time a real run for his money on "Sweet Child O'Mine" on Expert - admittedly, I found it's not unlike a bizarre form of touch typing (unless Dragonforce is involved, in which case it's like a headdeskfacepalmcombo), so it's wasn't too hard to pick up. I'll also admit I was completely sober, but my opponent was less so, which might have given me the edge.
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Unread postAuthor: iPaintball » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:33 pm

Yeah, I forgot to mention that it's on GH3... But yeah, guitar hero can be a pretty fun game at times.
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Unread postAuthor: mega_swordman » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:00 pm

Modest Mouse - Float On
Modest Mouse - Dashboard
Eric Johnson - Cliffs of Dover
Trivium - the Crusade
Iron Maiden - the Trooper
Billy Joel - Goodnight Saigon
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Turn it Again
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Wet Sand
Barenaked Ladies - Alcohol
Europe - Final Countdown
Charlie Daniels band - Devil Went down to Georgia
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