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Unread postAuthor: Hydra » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:47 am

... abuot $1.71/L here.
But thats 1.71 Australian dollars. I dont like biofuel, its because countries like the US are using biofuels and making food prices go up. Well that was before anyway.
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Unread postAuthor: Davidvaini » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:11 am

making fuels out of our crops such as corn could effect the price of food however so does the price of petroleum gas because of packaging and shipping not to mention the gas used by the vehicles on farms.
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:01 am

Gippeto wrote:I believe that the direction to head in is straight electric.


But this is then a real dilemma. To produce electricity, fuels such as fossil fuels or natural gas need to be burnt in order to produce the electricity in the first place.
Maybe if everyone were to have their own 'charging station' in their own home. They just cycle for a few hours as exercise, this charges the batteries on the car. Kills two problems with one stone, obesity and the cost of fuel.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:36 am

MaxuS the 2nd wrote:But this is then a real dilemma. To produce electricity, fuels such as fossil fuels or natural gas need to be burnt in order to produce the electricity in the first place.

Not entirely. Power plants are more efficent than your average petrol engine by some considerable amount, so it is a better option.

And of course, electrickery can be generated by wave, wind or solar power, all of which are completely sustainable, ooh, until the sun blows up.
I say we go with using the power given to us by the very large fusion reactor known as the sun.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:10 am

Gippeto wrote:We already have the technology to produce an electric automobile which would satisfy the NEEDS of the majority of the planets population.


We should force everyone to watch fight club!

TD: Do you know what a duvet is?

N: Comfort.

TD: It’s a blanket. Just a blanket. Why do guy’s like you and I want duvets? Is this essential to our survival in the hunting and gathering sense of the word? No. What are we?

N: Consumers?

TD: Right, we’re consumers. We are by-products of the life-style obsession. Murder, crime, poverty. These things don’t concern me. What concerns me is celebrity magazine, television, 500 channels, some guy’s name on my underwear, rogaine, viagra, olestra.

N: Martha Stewart.

TD: fork Martha Stewart. Martha’s polishing brass on the Titanic. It’s all going down, man, so fork off with your sofa and string green stripe pattern. I say never be complete. I say stop being perfect. I say, the chips fall where they may. [Pause] That’s me and I could be wrong. Maybe it’s a terrible tragedy.

N: Its just stuff.

TD: You just lost a lot of versatile solutions for modern life.

N: My insurance is probably going to cover it.

TD: Things you own end up owning you. Do what you like.
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:38 am

Any chance you saw Fight Club on Film4 the other night. :wink:

Still, a vehicle that runs on a renewable, sustainable and powerful source of energy is needed. I think that the spudding community should tackle the problem, we're all a fitting bunch of people.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:43 am

MaxuS the 2nd wrote:Any chance you saw Fight Club on Film4 the other night. :wink:


That would be nice, having a English-speaking TV channel! It's all effing Spanish here :?

Thank heavens for PCs, Ripped DVD collections and youtube's playlist facility :D
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Unread postAuthor: ramses » Thu Jun 19, 2008 9:27 am

jook13 wrote:
Yeah but it would be way cooler if the hybrid cars actually worked like a conventional spudding hybrid.


indeed, but doesnt a turbo or supercharger do that? I am not sure, I am not a mechanic


yes it does, but normal cars are hybrids already. i think around 8x. so i think turbo's bump that to around 10x, depending on the rpm's and turbo. but that is more fuel, too, so it is not without cost.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:35 am

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MaxuS the 2nd wrote:So what would be the best alternative fuel?

Natural Gas?
Ethanol?
Vegetable Oils?
Hydrogen?

Let's hear your ideas people. :wink:

Compressed air. You can fill your car up at home for $2 worth of electricity.


I was thinking if an engine is run on compressed (whatever),
The exhaust gas could also be used to turn a turbine generating electricity.
Sort of a hybrid compressed air maybe.

I was following the process where a particle accelerator shoots at a hydrogen atom and converts it to helium by knocking an electron off.
And giving off heat hotter than the sun to be used in electric generation.

The electricity generated could be piped into a circuit shaped like a grid with spikes pointing in a way that when the current passing through it creates enough stray ions moving the same direction to produce lift (thrust from the air ion movement).(Like a magic carpet!!!).

Some air-filters work that way. Been a while since I've studied it.
But the concept was invented by a Russian- American citizen who was a pilot in WW1. And published on the cover (as flying saucer designs) of (forgot and can't find it) 1962 or '64 popular science Or popular mechanics magazine.
BTW, I suspect it's used to power submarines secretly and that's why more people don't know of it.

The power to lift ratio seemed impossible until I saw the particle accelerator fusion(?) generator (thought of combining two together)

Now there is renewed talk of missions to the moon because an element "Helium 3" is found there and it can be used (to line the walls ?)of The small donut shaped generators
About the size of a truck,use microwaves usually to shoot the particle incredible speeds round and round inside. I heard somewhere.

It's said if gold or platinum bars were stacked on the moon it would cost too much to retrieve them.
But apparently this stuff valuable enough for talks of new missions there!

So forget cars I hope to see magic carpet or jetson's type stuff. :roll: 8)

EDIT: I also find it very interesting that many UFO reports involve tales of lights or rainbows of color. When light itself is a form of electro-magnetic radiation. Stray exhaust maybe???
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Unread postAuthor: Taavet » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:40 am

petrol/gas: 17.9 kr over 1.1 euro 1.7 USD
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:10 pm

87 octane is 4.05/gallon one place.Little further it's $4.20/Gallon
Diesel is almost $5.

Here's a link I've had in favorites a while that I heard of on "Truckin'" show: [url] http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com/ Looks simple enough to build one or buy just one and copy it for even more production.

Maybe some Mafia style tactics could be employed to gain a monopoly on all the used cooking oil around, and make enough to sell truckers and farmers?
Hmmmm.. :roll: :twisted: 8)

BTW, I added this edit to my last reply here:
EDIT: I also find it very interesting that many UFO reports involve tales of lights or rainbows of color. When light itself is a form of electro-magnetic radiation. Stray exhaust maybe???
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:18 am

Some links on biofuels for those interested;

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums

http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/appleseedprocessor/

http://www.xyzworks.com/centrifuge.htm

There is more information (lots more, and you won't be asked to pay for it!) on the web. Google is your friend. :)
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Unread postAuthor: jon_89 » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:17 am

What about adding acetone to your gas? I ask just because I came across it. To me it seems like it would eat away at the engine.
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Unread postAuthor: Carlman » Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:41 am

THUNDERLORD wrote:I was thinking if an engine is run on compressed (whatever),
The exhaust gas could also be used to turn a turbine generating electricity.
Sort of a hybrid compressed air maybe.


turbochargers work by using the gas flow to turn a turbine which pulls air and compressers it some what (4-12psi) and 'injects' it into the air intake.

if you wanted to make electricity you would be better off just adding another alternator that runs on the belts of the engine.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:32 pm

MaxuS the 2nd wrote:So what would be the best alternative fuel?

Natural Gas?
Ethanol?
Vegetable Oils?
Hydrogen?

Let's hear your ideas people. :wink:


Remembered an old idea I was daydreaming about today.
Clone a giant bird and fly around on it's back!!

I was thinking just a pigeon would be suitable.Or perhaps a white dove.
They're so peaceful and just sit around. I was daydreaming of flying over the cops while throwing beer bottles and the bird could poop on them! :P :D

The G forces wouldn't be too bad. IDK what kind of G forces a more sporty bird would encounter though.

BTW I was also thinking a giant parrot would be cool, I'd teach him to yell "Get the eff outta the way" or on landing " We're here bia..es!!!" 8)
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