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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:37 am

@ markfh11q:

Yeah, I had looked at a Ruger 10/22 but I've pretty much got my heart set on the CZ. I'm not really into modding it because I'd be afraid that something could go wrong.

I'll keep you guys up to date with how it goes.
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Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:46 am

i would like a gun..... luckly i get to shoot at school... both .22 and 5.56 :D
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Unread postAuthor: SEAKING9006 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:54 am

What the hell school do you GO to? I wanna enroll!

And is the 5.56 free?
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:28 am

Never heard of a school in England which lets you fire any sort of rifle. The insurance and the safety would just be far too much to allow it. Unless of course you're a member of the ATC or Army Scouts.
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Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:31 am

well i can't literally shoot 5.56 at school..... we have to go to a range to do it :lol: and yeah its free... is shot 15 rounds at 100m and 15 and 200m a few weeks ago.... and i guess more than 150 blanks, including 30 on the LSW (light support weapon) on automatic :twisted:
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Unread postAuthor: SEAKING9006 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:34 am

... Oh, England. We don't even have anything like that in the U.S.

But I wish we did, .223 is freaking expensive beyond belief.
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Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:38 am

how much? i know that the blank rounds we were shooting on exercise were ~80p per round :shock: so we had a few thousand pounds of blank ammunition :D
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Unread postAuthor: SEAKING9006 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:42 am

It's over US$450 per thousand. And a box (50 rounds) of Blazer 9mm is up to US$10 a piece. Ammo is just ridiculous these days.

Except for .22LR. That stuff is still hella cheap.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:58 am

SEAKING9006 wrote:Except for .22LR. That stuff is still hella cheap.


Depends what you're shooting it out of, even the humble 22LR can get pretty friggin' expensive :shock: :D
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Unread postAuthor: SEAKING9006 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:01 am

Nice. And yeah, theres a match-grade .22LR that costs around $1250 a thousand.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:01 pm

markfh11q wrote:Is it different over there?

No, .22 LR is rimfire anywhere in the world - the manufacturers have made a mistake on their website.

Normally, the UK police are a little more forgiving if you want to own a rimfire than a centrefire, but probably simply because they're generally less powerful rounds.

@ALIHISGREAT: On one Army Cadet camp I went on, they seemed to have a complete surplus of 5.56mm ammunition to get rid of, they were almost handing it to us faster than we could shoot it.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:40 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:...Depends what you're shooting it out of, even the humble 22LR can get pretty friggin' expensive :shock: :D


I remember reading (old gun magazine) about a police dept. that experimented with using those (In Full auto) Rather than the 12 ga.
The article claimed it was used against a bank robber and the bullets pierced a car door and 9 hit the robbers heart!
(course now some have AR-15's)

It looks a little silly when I see people rapid firing .22 LR's at the range. (Pshhew!pshw!pshw...) while others are firing bigger stuff (Boom Boom!)
.22 LR is one of the few calibers that will pierce standard kevlar vests fired from a handgun though. Due to it's small diameter and high velocity the woven material doesn't grab it like larger diameter bullets.

BTW, Those ammo prices are crazy high. Are you allowed to own handloaders in UK ? Seems like handloading would be cheaper than those rimfire prices (Which can't be reloaded practically because the primer's in the rim).
Kind of sucks, I think the UK buses were bombed using nitro-cellulose (Smokeless gunpowder cans). D*mn stupid suicide bombers :evil:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:51 pm

THUNDERLORD wrote: The article claimed it was used against a bank robber and the bullets pierced a car door and 9 hit the robbers heart!
(course now some have AR-15's)


Some pictures from this incident can be found here :)

It looks a little silly when I see people rapid firing .22 LR's at the range. (Pshhew!pshw!pshw...) while others are firing bigger stuff (Boom Boom!)
.22 LR is one of the few calibers that will pierce standard kevlar vests fired from a handgun though. Due to it's small diameter and high velocity the woven material doesn't grab it like larger diameter bullets.


I have a soft spot for suppressed 22 autos, very cool in my book :) though I beg to differ on the armour penetration point, at least according to the box'o'truth - however, it was noted that rounds from the American 180 could penetrate a contemporary vest due to the high rate and volume of fire. How much you could do that with modern vests is debatable though.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:35 am

@JSR, Incredible that you found that link! (But you must've double pasted it, it only works after I deleted the second half).

Also, I seem to remember a documentary type show about a shootout in San Francisco, against a depressed "Gun-nut". One of his guns was a ruger 10-22 and it pierced one of the police's undershirt type kevlar vests. :roll:

And I understand the "Soft spot" for suppressed .22's.
Years ago, I saw one made simply of PVC, metal washers and rubber washers...Only sound it made was the firing pin(Click) and spring movement. :shock:
Then Whomp! Or Whack! from the bullet (Hmm..TV mafia term "Whack"?). D*mn thing had a shell catcher too! 8)

EDIT: That Polycarbonate bullet test on boxotruth is cool!
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:21 pm

I forgot to mention..

At the gun shop that I intend on getting my CZ from in a little while's time, they have a plate of 1/4" with various holes in it made from .22, .223 and .243 rounds fired from 100 yards away. Quite impressive indeed.
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