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Unread postAuthor: Daltonultra » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:47 am

My brother and I headed up to NW Ohio to attend the Freezin der Heinie Off, a winter range day organized by a militery-surplus-rifle forum. About thirty guys showed up with about a hundred guns, including American M1 Garands, Russian and Finnish Mosin Nagants, a few Japanese Arisakas, several Lee-Enfields, four or five AKs, including a weird Czech variant, and a few SKS's. A couple of weirder ones showed up too: A Russian PPSh-41, and a civilian legal Browning .30cal machine gun(altered to be semi-auto, but with a crank that operates the trigger, really odd). There was also a scattering of pistols and newer rifles both military and not. The biggest surprise is that only one AR showed up.

Anyway, on to pics and vids!(Note, not all are mine, some transferred from the pic thread on the gun forum)


My Brother and I setting up. I'm the one in the long brown coat.
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Bro and his Mosin 91-30. Yes, that's a bayonet. It hangs off the right side of the barrel. Mosins were actually sighted-in at the factory with the bayonet affixed, so if you fire without it, your shot goes a bit left. With the bayo on, it's as accurate as any modern rifle. Fires 7.62x54R.
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My Bro firing his "new" Steyr M95/30. King of the shoulder-thumpers, it's a lightweight carbine that fires one of the more powerful rifle rounds of the World Wars, the 8x56mmR. Firing it is like getting hit in the shoulder with a hammer. Unfortunately, we could only scrounge up 20 rounds of this rare ammo, and the gun's sights are so far off we couldn't even spot where the rounds were landing. The perils of buying old military rifles.
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The "giggle gun", an Ingram MAC10. The guy who brought it had barrels for 9mm and .45ACP
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Firing .45ACP
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Japanese Arisaka.
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Shooting a Steyr M95 through a chronometer just offscreen.
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Full 10th Mountain drag with skis.
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Turns out, firing an M1 while on skis causes you to scoot backwards almost two feet...lol
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The firing line during a cease-fire.
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Mosin-Nagant model 91-30 sniper, rare bird, if it was an original. The scope is close, but not the right one, and the gun was not originally a sniper. He lucked into finding the right bolt and scope mount, though. Behind it is a U.S. M1A.
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This is what I mean about thirty people bringing a hundred guns. That rack belongs to one guy...
Can't name all the guns, but they include several Mosins, a couple of British Lee-Enfields, an SKS, a Garand, and several I don't recognize.
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An unusual one, a Russian PPSh-41 with the longer barrel you have to install to import it into the U.S.. Awesome sub-machine gun. Commonly called the "papasha".
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For the life of me, I can't remember the name of this one. Yes, the platter on top is the magazine. The bullets all face to the center, and the spring loaded follower pushes them around and down to the receiver. Unfortunately, he was having trigger issues and packed it in early.
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SKS
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Some carnage. One of the guys runs a chimney sweep company that also does fire suppression work. These are old extinguishers that failed inspection.
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They had this one in close, popping it with the MAC10. They pushed it about 15 feet back from where it was set down...
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A random snow angel right in front of the firing line...lol
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The Gong. It looks like an old tank cap, about 18" across and 1" thick, solid plate steel. They hang it at the 150yd line. At that distance, it appears roughly the size of a pin-head at arms length. I was hitting it four times out of five with iron sights on the 91-30. A couple guys did better, but the thing is cursed hard to pick up against the scrub on the berm behind it,and someone hit the cord that was holding it straight. Even so, about every 20 seconds, you'd hear a "ding" from downrange.
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Of course, no milsurp shoot is complete without firing a rifle grenade...(Don't worry, it's a practice dummy)
He only had parade blanks to fire it with, rather than the much more powerful blanks intended for it. The real thing would have knocked him over and punted the grenade past the last berm.
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A Browning .30cal machine-gun, converted for civilian-legality. The mechanism is modified to be semi-auto-only, and a crank is added to pull the trigger about 6 times per revolution. Strange, but it works.
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It also took home the prize for "Strangest Malfunction of the Day". :eek2: Can anyone can figure out what happened here? Hint, nothing was wrong with the round, just the gun.
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Re: Attended a winter milsurp shoot, lots o' pics!

Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:03 am

For the life of me, I can't remember the name of this one.

I'm not an absolute expert, but it looks like a Soviet DPM to me.

No idea about the Browning malfunction though.
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Unread postAuthor: CasinoVanart » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:18 am

NICE PICS, I LIKE THE GONG!

About the Browning, looks like someone lost a bolt, hope it didn't hit them in the eye.
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Unread postAuthor: Daltonultra » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:25 am

I'm heading for bed, so I'll skip the fun of leaving everyone in suspense.

The head spacing on the Browning drifted out of adjustment, and the round wasn't fully chambered. There was a tiny bit of clearance between the shoulder of the cartridge and the wall of the breech, so when the round fired, it blew the shoulder and neck off. That piece stuck in the chamber while the rest of the round ejected, and the next round was chambered into it.
Needless to say, that was the last shot of the day with that gun.

Did a quick search of "DPM" and you are correct. It is the earlier model, though, the "DP". The DPM has a pistol grip and heavier bipod. It does look like he has the later bipod on this one, though.

CasinoVanart wrote:NICE PICS, I LIKE THE GONG!

About the Browning, looks like someone lost a bolt, hope it didn't hit them in the eye.

He was probably making adjustments when the pic was taken. It was giving him trouble all day. There were alterations made to it to make it legal to possess without a special license. The mechanism was altered so it couldn't fire full-auto. It's now a semi-auto. Then a crank setup was added, that pulls the trigger 6 times per revolution, which is some kind of arbitrary legal standard. The head spacing was the final straw, but the crank mechanism had been giving him trouble. It was binding on a retaining pin and locking up.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:36 am

Daltonultra wrote:There was a tiny bit of clearance between the shoulder of the cartridge and the wall of the breech, so when the round fired, it blew the shoulder and neck off.



Did a quick search of "DPM" and you are correct. It is the earlier model, though, the "DP".

Like I said - not an absolute expert.
Given the UK's gun laws, I've not exactly been around many firearms, so the fact I was even half as close as I was is a bit of a surprise.
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Unread postAuthor: Daltonultra » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:53 am

Ragnarok wrote:Like I said - not an absolute expert.
Given the UK's gun laws, I've not exactly been around many firearms, so the fact I was even half as close as I was is a bit of a surprise.


Heck, I was two feet from it, heard the guy say the name, and couldn't remember it. I didn't even remember it was Russian. I kept thinking it was some relative to that POS French/American Chauchat.


BTW, Casino, that damn gong drove me nuts! At that distance, it was just barely bigger around than my front sight post is wide. Plus, after so many rounds firing at paper targets and the fire extinguishers, the barrel was nice and hot, so I was getting heat-waves off it that screwed up the sight picture. Even so, I managed to hit it four out of five shots. I even got a few runs of six or seven hits in a row. But no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't all five round rounds of one clip into it.

I know that might not be impressive for a scoped AR or hunitng rifle, but keep in mind that the Mosin was designed to be maintained by the Russian army in the late 1890s...the usual manner of adjusting the sights was to hit with a big farking rock. When they were designing these things, they were only just getting over the "Everybody form two lines and shoot each other" style of military thinking. That example is from the early 1940s.
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Unread postAuthor: inonickname » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:44 am

DPM

I looked at the pic of it, and I thought "hey, I've seen that before!" Then I realized it's what we refer to as "the flying saucer gun" from call of duty: world at war.

Cool, would have been good fun.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:40 am

inonickname wrote:Then I realized it's what we refer to as "the flying saucer gun" from call of duty: world at war.

Lucky you. I don't have World at War.

It took me several minutes to remember which Soviet weapons had a pan magazine, and even then I wasn't quite right. (Daltonultra corrected my mistake - it's the DP, because the DPM has a pistol grip, and this doesn't)

Cool, would have been good fun.

I'd love to get together for a proper "shoot the crap out of whatever stuff we put down range" thing.
The UKSGC spudfest appears to be on permanent hiatus, and anyway, it wouldn't be quite the same.
(Talking about that, I remember Hotwired had a "Don't stand next to at meets" list , which named all the people with cannons that would make his ones look small.)

Oh, by the way, I'm not surprised those extinguishers failed inspections with all those bullet holes in them.
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Unread postAuthor: CpTn_lAw » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:58 am

Nice!!!!!! :D :D i'll post some videos of my remington 1858 if you want ;) nice banger too
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Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:12 pm

That PPsH looks very fun indeed :wink: and the rest don't look too bad either :D

darn i wish we could get guns more easily in the UK, me being a gun-nut and all...
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:24 pm

Looks like a great day out :) you've got me going a slight tinge of green here :cry:
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Unread postAuthor: john bunsenburner » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:17 pm

@ Rag if you feel like a little trip some day and are desperate for guns go to poland, i am sure poland spud would agree that shooting contests are not difficult to find. As a matter of fact i have been invited to three of them and i am 13, lovely country it is indeed!! and if you enjoy hunting, poland is also great. I guess russia or urkrain are just as good when it comes to poland but i havent been to either so cannot tell you much about them.
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Unread postAuthor: hi » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:29 pm

Surplus rifles are fun, cheap to buy, cheap to feed, usually fairly accurate. I have a mosin nagant m44 carbine and a swiss k31.

What you said about it being sighted with the bayo extended is partially true, at least with my m44. it shoots about 3'' to the right with it in and about 2'' to the left with it out. i drifted the sight with a punch and now it shoots right on with the bayonet folded in. it was made in Izhevsk in 1946, all matching. it shoots about 2.5 MOA. Pretty good for a Russian carbine.

the k31 is a dream, almost a work of art. its super accurate. i can get about 1.5 MOA with it, which is great considering it was made in 1934. It costs a little more to feed, but the ammo is essentially match grade and non-corrosive. its a great rifle.

Surplus rifles i think are more fun to shoot than new rifles, and i really dont know why.

Any day at the range is a great day, even if its cold/windy/dusty etc...
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Unread postAuthor: inonickname » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:36 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:you've got me going a slight tinge of green here :cry:


yummm, epoxy-mint flavoured JSR..
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:55 pm

inonickname wrote:yummm, epoxy-mint flavoured JSR..


JSR open season started this week eh? :roll: :D
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