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Unread postAuthor: Hubb » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:18 pm

@Labtecpower: Be careful with the Blur. The blade sharpens easily enough and it holds a great edge, but the steel used is brittle. I've owned two and have had both of them break. The first one broke when I was carving a piece of hickory wood. The other one broke when I dropped it (closed...).

My EDC knife is a Buck Vantage. It is a nice looking folder made ambidextrous and with good steel. It is called 420HC and is basically a high carbon stainless steel. It sharpens easy and holds a good edge and is not brittle. It has held up quite nicely, and was cheaper than the Blur as well. It has a nice lock (liner lock) and is quite smooth to open.

I've not "tested" that particular knife thoroughly (I've only carried it for about a month), but I also carry a Buck 119 when I'm "in the bush" and it has definitely been through its paces (I've chopped, batoned, gouged, pried, stabbed, and drilled through hard woods - if that don't break it, it's pretty durable - and was still able to completely skin a rabbit afterwards) It is made with the same type of steel, so I could only assume the Vantage would be of at least equal quality. Matter of fact, the 119 and its steel is one of the primary reasons I purchased the Vantage.

I've done a couple of modifications to the 119, and they are mainly for my tastes. Because I use it like I do, I've tapped a hole and placed a lanyard. I've also changed the grip (I just put a small piece of intertube over it to give it a non-slip grip). The lower 2" of the edge has also been reworked into what's called a Scandi grind (essentially, the edge has a much lower angle to provide a very sharp edge - I use this portion for fine detail work by holding the knife a little differently). Oh, and I've made a new sheath (from PVC...) for it.

The 420HC stainless steel also cleans up very nicely as well. I just run it under water and wipe it down. Just be careful, though, because the blade does get sharp, as my index finger received first hand knowledge of this last time I was wiping down the blade (blood was freakin' everywhere...).

And, before you guys ask, NO, I am not an endorser of Buck knifes. I've simply discovered that they make a quality product (so long as the blades come from the USA - the cheaper China made versions are just that, cheap) at a good price.

Something also worth mentioning that I don't think has been done is my hatchet. It is a Fiskars X7. It ain't no knife, but I can do things with this hatchet that I've never been able to do before. The blade is a high carbon steel (it actually turns a spark using a flintsteel - something I've never been able to do with a hatchet before). It readily sharpens on a stone and will hold a pretty good edge (splits paper). And the ergonomics are fantastic (I've carved a wooden spoon AND a wooden fish hook with it :shock: ). So, yeah, if you guys are looking for a hatchet, those are just right, especially for the price (I paid $20 for it).

Note: Another of my hobbies is Bushcraft, so that should explain a little bit about why I've done some of the things I've done with my blades (and may help to explain, JSR, as to why I am also a member of a survivalist forum as well...).
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Unread postAuthor: PVC Arsenal 17 » Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:15 am

Hubb wrote:Something also worth mentioning that I don't think has been done is my hatchet. It is a Fiskars X7. It ain't no knife, but I can do things with this hatchet that I've never been able to do before.


I have the Gerber Gator Combo Axe. It's equivalent to the Fiskars and has a decent little knife stuck into the handle with a magnet. I agree it's a great tool, though I prefer to use my Estwing Sportsman's Axe for heavier work.
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Unread postAuthor: Hubb » Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:53 am

Yeah, those two hatchets are virtually the same thing. At least, I couldn't tell the difference (other than the name) between the two. I just chose the Fiskars because I found one of those before I found the Gerber. If I'm not mistaken, both may even be made by Gerber.
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Unread postAuthor: Labtecpower » Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:45 am

@Labtecpower: Be careful with the Blur. The blade sharpens easily enough and it holds a great edge, but the steel used is brittle. I've owned two and have had both of them break. The first one broke when I was carving a piece of hickory wood. The other one broke when I dropped it (closed...).


Good to know.

Are you from America? I heard they use 440a for the blurs over there.
It's a cheapo steel, and they might have overhardened it to hold an edge better.


I owned a 420hc knive too. It was a leatherman c33.
The edge-holding ability wasn't great. It became blunt very fast. (was very easy to sharpen tough)

When I got the blur, I gave it to a friend .
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Unread postAuthor: jakethebeast » Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:12 am

i dont like those stainless steel, i more to carbonsteels and damascus. Seems that when they are hardened whit experiense they will hold the edge best
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Unread postAuthor: Hubb » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:24 am

I owned a 420hc knive too. It was a leatherman c33.
The edge-holding ability wasn't great. It became blunt very fast. (was very easy to sharpen tough)
Actually, that may have something to do with the sharpening technique.

When a blade is sharpened, a microscopic bur is raised on it. If that bur is standing straight, then the edge is going to feel very sharp, but it's also going to wear down quite fast, giving the impression that the knife dulls quickly, when in reality, the knife was never sharpened (due to the bur) to begin with. And the worst part is that this bur is a lot more common on stainless blades than it is on carbon blades (although it is still present on carbon blades).

When I first got my 119, I had the same problem. Once I began to strop the blade, however, that problem went away and now the blade holds a nice edge. And most of the time, all I need to do is strop it across my belt several times to revive the edge (which is usually done after each time I use it). In fact, ever since I began stropping the blade, I've not put it back on my stone.

I heard they use 440a for the blurs over there.
It's a cheapo steel, and they might have overhardened it to hold an edge better.
I'm not sure what type of steel they use over here, but I did get the impression that it was over-hardened, which will make a steel brittle.

i dont like those stainless steel, i more to carbonsteels and damascus. Seems that when they are hardened whit experiense they will hold the edge best
Ain't nothing wrong with a stainless blade. Carbon steel blades do sharpen easier and hold an edge better, though. But that's probably due to that bur I spoke of earlier. I just prefer the stainless because the type of activities I subject my blades to.
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Unread postAuthor: Labtecpower » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:18 am

I allways remove the burr from the edge of my knive by cutting a piece of hardwood.

When I got the Blur, it was pretty sharp. I didn't like the way the cutting edge looked, however.

I am only satisfied with a knive edge when I can see myself in it, and I can shave with it :roll:

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I strop my knives on the back of a leather belt with some polishing compound.

When I'm bored, I sharpen it even further with a piece of printing paper.
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Unread postAuthor: Doctore » Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:56 pm

Hhehe I have a bayonet
Pictures soon!!!
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Unread postAuthor: jakethebeast » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:15 pm

actually, when you can shave with a knife, its like normal woodworking knife to me. Try to cut wet newspaper, thats liittle different :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: Labtecpower » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:17 pm

shaving with a knive is not very special anymore, indeed. It's good for everyday use however.

How do you sharpen your knives?

i just felt good about the sharpness of my knives, d*ck :D
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:37 pm

Labtecpower wrote:I strop my knives on the back of a leather belt with some polishing compound.


Manly.

Labtecpower wrote:I am only satisfied with a knive edge when I can see myself in it, and I can shave with it :roll:


Gay.

I recently obtained an Ontario Knife Company Marine Combat knife, 7" blade :)
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Unread postAuthor: LeMaudit » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:41 pm

Hey, a thread about knifes... niceee :D

I made this one a while ago for my father.
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A replica of a French soldier dagger, VXII th century
The blade is oil tempered steel.

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And yes, it's a 1:4 scale model
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I have a small collection of "real" knives if you are interested for a look on some of my nicest pieces.
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Unread postAuthor: Gun Freak » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:45 pm

That is really cool! A bit decieving at first as to the size, then I saw it next to the ruler :D
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:49 pm

LeMaudit wrote:The blade is oil tempered steel.


If you showed me the first photo and told me it was cut from swarovski crystal I would have believed you :shock:
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Unread postAuthor: Gun Freak » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:52 pm

The blade looked clear to me at first too!
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