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Unread postAuthor: mobile chernobyl » Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:47 pm

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Crna Legija wrote:Do you think windscreen water pumps can pump oil? i want to set up a new set to spray oil onto my cars rear wheels, i think you know why :D


Please post some pictures when you are done with that. Sounds fun. I would go with what Jrrdw said though.


Don't use ammonia please, it's good to see, but ammonia in the air that you're skidding around on, not worth it.

They will pump oil, but not spray in, it'll pour on your tyres fine though.


Bleach =/= ammonia? Sodium Hypochlorite - maybe you were talking about something else?

I've personally used a spare windshield washer unit (tank and pump) to pump fuel oil into a special port I drilled into a special place on a previous car of mine's headers. It produced some special results lol... But besides that - I know it can handle diesel and kerosene.

Jrrdw's comment about bleach is true - a lot of people will use it for "burn out contest" at motorhead club gatherings for that exact effect - a billowing bright white cloud of smoke.

I would personally use something like Xylene or Toulene, That should give some great burnout performance and help really put down some rubber on the road!
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Unread postAuthor: Crna Legija » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:20 pm

jrrdw wrote:Oil might catch fire, not worth the chance. Added effect....


lol its not for added effect i put a LSD diff in my car (vx commodore wagon) and it doesn't have the power to spin both wheels at once :lol: trust me iv tried tonnes of times but with out rain or oil all i get is a stall i tried clutch dumps, rolling back take off and best you get is a little chirp
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:11 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:Heh... you see, that's what happens when people from western europe wrongly assume they are as badass as those from eastern europe


... and when your vehicle is made by Vauxhall, not КАМАЗ :D

Gipetto wrote:An altogether effective solution to piracy.


... for those not troubled with such infantile notions as "human rights", pffft :D
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:45 am

Crna Legija wrote:
jrrdw wrote:Oil might catch fire, not worth the chance. Added effect....


lol its not for added effect i put a LSD diff in my car (vx commodore wagon) and it doesn't have the power to spin both wheels at once :lol: trust me iv tried tonnes of times but with out rain or oil all i get is a stall i tried clutch dumps, rolling back take off and best you get is a little chirp


I should have explained this further...I understand the oil usage. By me saying "added effect" I meant if you where to get the tires hot enough to smoke, there is a potential to catch fire. When you get the tires spinning fast enough to smoke, they are in deed burning.

Did you change the entire rear or just the gearing? Have you changed the rear suspension?
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Unread postAuthor: mobile chernobyl » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:37 am

jrrdw wrote:I should have explained this further...I understand the oil usage. By me saying "added effect" I meant if you where to get the tires hot enough to smoke, there is a potential to catch fire. When you get the tires spinning fast enough to smoke, they are in deed burning.


I take it you don't watch mythbusters? They tested and busted the hell out of that myth. Unless you have a top fuel dragster and a more potent blend of fuel - it's not going to catch fire too easily in a smokey turbulent atmosphere!
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:30 am

MC wrote:I take it you don't watch mythbusters?


No, not on a regular bases I don't. I've seen some of their stuff but not much. I think it's impossible to simulate all the possibilities there for not accurate in their results. Sure they do the best they can but the unknown is all ways there.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:47 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
Gipetto wrote:An altogether effective solution to piracy.


... for those not troubled with such infantile notions as "human rights", pffft :D


"Human rights" Jack? Do you think those pirates give two shits about anyone's "human rights"? :lol:

When dealing with criminals of any stripe such thinking is delusional at best. Their willingness to sacrifice you and your "rights" is what makes them criminals in the first place. As long as we grant them favour that they are unwilling to grant us, we ARE going to lose in the long run.

IMO it's well past time we stopped "playing at justice" and reclaim our societies from these elements.

In "grandads" day, there wouldn't be any discussion about this...they KNEW how to solve the problem and would have done it already. And no one would question the need for it having been done.

The world has gone too soft Jack...we need to bring back the "hangin' judge" and REAL justice before it's too late for us all. :(
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Unread postAuthor: DYI » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:58 am

Gippeto, half the members of this site are criminals. From what I know of Canadian law, you're one of them. As someone who's had experience with the legal system, I can say that I'm very glad that it's gone "soft".

In a system where the judge has decided the verdict after watching the evening news and before hearing a single argument, the prosecution is angling to boost his conviction count, and the police are seen as gods among men, I think we should all be grateful that the death penalty is going extinct in civilized countries.

I'm all for gunning down pirates in armed conflicts on the open seas. Killing men you've already captured based on some flimsy pretext of "due process" is another story altogether. Regardless of what they might have done.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:31 am

Gippeto wrote:The world has gone too soft Jack...we need to bring back the "hangin' judge" and REAL justice before it's too late for us all. :(


You're preaching to the converted to some extent, I believe one's relationship with society is a two way street - you and your rights are entitled to protection, but you cannot expect this protection once you infringe on the rights of others. The lefty liberal notion that you deserve the mercy that you failed to show for your victims is not helping anyone.

I'm all for gunning down pirates in armed conflicts on the open seas. Killing men you've already captured based on some flimsy pretext of "due process" is another story altogether. Regardless of what they might have done.


I don't think Gippeto is arguing for the slaughter of unarmed prisoners, but he makes a good point about the justice system becoming something of a joke in Western countries - with laws being considered that can send you to jail for downloading one of Michael Jackson's songs for several years longer than the sentence you get for administering a fatal dose of medication.

All this is breeding is (for the umpteenth time in this thread, moaning about the "pussyfication" of the West...) hordes of whining pussies with their feelings of entitlement and first world problems, which will be wholly unprepared when the sons raised by those without priviledge will threaten our borders.

I digress, starting to sound like an 85 year old Daily Mail reader :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: DYI » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:11 pm

I don't think Gippeto is arguing for the slaughter of unarmed prisoners


That's exactly what the "hangin' judge" does :wink:

Also, "bring back REAL justice"? The kind where the police beat a confession out of you, and you got a 1 hour trial at the end of which a judge sentenced you to death for a crime which you first heard of at the time of your arrest? Seems like nostalgia for a system which never actually existed. It's always been broken. It's just broken in a different direction now.

One of my accusers in the case from '08 had five separate criminal cases against him at the time his testimony became the sole grounds for the search warrants. Most of these were for breach of probation, assault, and robbery. His bail conditions were less restrictive than mine were.

He continued to rack up charges during the time I was on bail, remaining free the whole time, until he finally beat a disabled man in a wheelchair into a coma. To steal his iPod. At this point, he was dropped as a witness in my case. He remained free. So far as I can tell, he never got anything worse than community service and probation for his numerous crimes. The sentence the Crown was pursuing for nearly killing the disabled man was actually shorter than the one they wanted for me.

I'd very much enjoy seeing him spend a long time in jail, simply to protect the people around him. Unfortunately, unless the system were to gain some idea of proportionality, making sentences tougher is going to inflict a lot of suffering on people who never caused any themselves. And really, can we expect politicians to EVER gain a sense of proportionality?
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Unread postAuthor: velocity3x » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:28 pm

Gippeto wrote:In "grandads" day, there wouldn't be any discussion about this...they KNEW how to solve the problem and would have done it already.

"Grandad" had the right idea...... Hang em high and beat em like a pinata!
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:18 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:with laws being considered that can send you to jail for downloading one of Michael Jackson's songs for several years longer than the sentence you get for administering a fatal dose of medication.
I agree with that.

I'm also not against that pirate video thing If it meant that soldiers lives would have been at risk trying to take them prisoner and the pirates had the opportunity to surrender but didn't.

But I agree with DYI on the other points, as much as some people deserve the death penalty we cannot be 100% sure that we're not killing an innocent person. A lot of people are convicted purely on eye-witness testimony which is the single most unreliable form of scientific evidence. Look no further than the "West Memphis Three" for an example of a botched case. Even if they had killed the boys (which doesn't seem at all likely), the state still didn't have enough evidence to get a conviction in my mind. Italy also botched a case in a similar way with Amanda Knox. Both these cases are good examples of police witch hunts partly due to them being 'red balls' (important cases with lots of media interest) but more due to the police being inept.

That's not to say there isn't good police work. Part of the reason as to why their murder conviction rates can be so low is because Mrs. Smith doesn't want to spend 12 hours arguing with a bunch of strangers whether to find the defendant guilty of first or second degree manslaughter on a Friday night when her kids are at home and she has bills to pay. Much easier for her to get a hung jury and let another 12 people sort it out.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:24 pm

When dealing with criminals of any stripe such thinking is delusional at best.
careful someone might consider you to be a criminal

isn't your country currently at war with afganistan ?? then some ppl consider you as a canadian to be a criminal => meaning => it's ok to kill you
(and you can't argue with their reasoning)
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Unread postAuthor: DYI » Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:33 pm

POLAND_SPUD, the Canadian legal system would consider him a criminal - his high pressure coax was an illegal firearm. We don't need to look as far abroad as Afghanistan.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:05 pm

Interesting how some of you chose to interpret that. :|

Their willingness to sacrifice you and your "rights" is what makes them criminals in the first place.


Perhaps that's my own definition, or perhaps only my own opinion. Seems other folks have their own definitions as well.

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:You're preaching to the converted to some extent, I believe one's relationship with society is a two way street - you and your rights are entitled to protection, but you cannot expect this protection once you infringe on the rights of others. The lefty liberal notion that you deserve the mercy that you failed to show for your victims is not helping anyone.


Seems I wasn't completely unclear as to my intent.

To clarify somewhat... "real justice" IMO is where those who commit violent crimes actually PAY for those crimes.

My grandmother was taken from us when I was 11. The neighbor kid stabbed her in her own home, ostensibly to get money for drugs. His lawyer pleaded him as being not responsible and he was incarcerated in a mental hospital until such time as the doctors believed him "better". He was "in" for six months, and is walking around today as a free man.

IMO that is not justice...it's not even a pretense of justice.

I suppose to a large degree our feelings on any topic are shaped by our lives and experiences. As different as we all are, I find it remarkable that we find any common ground at all.
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