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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun May 06, 2012 3:27 am

inonickname wrote:Don't you hate it when Tech influences you to become a serial killer? (Albeit a humane one) :cry:


Nothing new under the sun, what of thefirst ever guided incendiary rounds?

On a vaguely related note which MrC might pick up on, dear Santa:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvncpT4EVzQ[/youtube]

Should that be "Dear Satan?" :D

Check out the penetration at 3:25...

Speaking of anti-tank guns and penetration, nice little segment about tanks with our beloved Gunny:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afPoiFPG-4#t=1329s [/youtube]

Penetration testing at around 23 minutes ;)
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Unread postAuthor: Technician1002 » Sun May 06, 2012 12:08 pm

That little square of sheetmetal in the first video with a hole in it was impressive. I'm referring to the one with some yellow paint on it. :shock:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun May 06, 2012 12:11 pm

Technician1002 wrote:That little square of sheetmetal in the first video with a hole in it was impressive. I'm referring to the one with some yellow paint on it. :shock:


I think when it's a couple of inches thick it becomes "plate", not sheet :wink:

When you consider what it was up against:

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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sun May 06, 2012 12:34 pm

did it really need 40mm armor on top??

ohh BTW did you know that artillery is actualy fairly effective against tanks (I mean standard HE shells not stuff such as Bonus submunition)??

If you think otherwise do some google research... the russian have done extensive tests on this - there is plenty of info on the internets
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun May 06, 2012 1:03 pm

POLAND_SPUD wrote:did it really need 40mm armor on top??


I can think of a couple of reasons

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ohh BTW did you know that artillery is actualy fairly effective against tanks (I mean standard HE shells not stuff such as Bonus submunition)??


Yup, the success of the SU-152 is a good illustration of this. With enough weight youdon't even need explosives :)
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sun May 06, 2012 1:16 pm

nahh I was thinking more in terms of HE shells or even fuel air explosives... that's mostly becasue of APS systems and stuff
I wonder what would happen if something the size of an RPO rocket exploded a few meters from the tank
Is the overpressure really that deadly for the optical equipment and such
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun May 06, 2012 1:19 pm

POLAND_SPUD wrote:Is the overpressure really that deadly for the optical equipment and such


Since most tanks these days tend to have full NBC protection, I don't know how that effective would be against modern armour in terms of harming the crew and disabling the tank.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sun May 06, 2012 1:58 pm

lol I don't know
rendering their observation systems useless? at least that's what the russians claim
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Unread postAuthor: warhead052 » Sun May 06, 2012 9:43 pm

Yes, I am gonna be "That guy" who completely veers this conversation off... Sorry... But this is hilarious.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xeS-_8Psk[/youtube]
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon May 07, 2012 1:34 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:rendering their observation systems useless? at least that's what the russians claim


It depends really, what do they mean by rendering them useless? Does the overpressure knock sights and rangefinders out of alignment? does it crack the protective glass? It would seem like a relatively easy fix to harden such systems against blast.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Mon May 07, 2012 8:41 am

Well I can't find any test results as far as FAEs are concerned... Just some very general statments such as 'it's effective against armoured vehicles and what I wrote in the previous post

but here is something on artillery and tanks http://sill-www.army.mil/famag/2002/NOV ... S_8_11.pdf

The Soviets claimed that 122-mm and 120-mm mortars and
152-mm artillery rounds achieved very high levels of damage
against tanks and armored personnel carriers.
(...)
Other possibilities offered were that the database for US models was incorrect or not used properly.
Further research revealed the Soviets had a large database
developed by an extensive live-fire test program.


I do recall that some sources claim that an RPO has more less equivalent power to 152mm shells so that at least seems to support the idea
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon May 07, 2012 9:53 am

It's a fact that tanks can be disabled by blast mines that have no penetrating effect, but it takes a big charge.

What I got from that article is that fragmentation is one of the primary damaging mechanisms. An artillery fragment from a HE shell can be travelling much faster than a bullet from an anti-material rifle, (seriously) over 9000 fps, and can be much heavier too, so it's conceivable that it would cause serious damage to even a heavily armoured vehicle, even if it doesn't actually penetrate the armour plate.

This effect is something thermobaric warheads don't offer at all.

On another note, this explains the FPSRussia drone hype:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3tedlWs1XY[/youtube]

For those interested in a more academic variation of "Damn Technology, you scary!", here's an interesting lecture by P.W. Singer:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEIVjXemFp0[/youtube]
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu May 10, 2012 8:09 pm

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/ ... vered.aspx

Amazing... hope it is preserved as-is

Apparently not :( breaks my heart

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFe8CsOdoG8[/youtube]

edit: photo album https://picasaweb.google.com/1146825662 ... directlink
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sat May 12, 2012 3:40 am

This was on the radio here a few years ago; the radio hosts give an answer and someone rings up and has to give a question for that answer to win:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxypTm82LOA[/youtube]
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat May 12, 2012 3:55 am

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeyeeeyeeeeeeeeeyeeeeeeeee yeeeeeeeee my god how do you live with that sound in your heads?!
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