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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:36 am

lol MrC I read your comments and it seems that your GF must be pretty good at brainwashing :D
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:43 am

Based on some of my previous relationships, I doubt I would be arguing this position if I currently had a girlfriend :D
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:03 am

MrCrowley wrote:Women don't 'owe' men for the engineering industry, with the likes of scientists such as Marie Curie who knows how much further we may be in the field of engineering if women had equal opportunity.


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Are you serious?

Do you think that in a society of women the field of engineering would even exist?

I think this debate is arguing different things. Some of these arguments about things women do that piss you off. I'm trying to argue about equal opportunity and the more dominant position us males have in society. But when I say males are dominant, you guys are thinking about in the bedroom where women get to 'control' sex. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about in society. Who cares if women get to control sex, just find another girl who wants what you've got :D


Ah, the innocence of youth :)

Women getting to 'control' sex isn't inequality either. We can do the same if we so pleased, we just happen to have a lower tolerance and patience for that kind of thing. It's no use in blaming women if their behaviour is innately different to ours.


In a long term relationship, women will withhold sex to indicate their displeasure or when they want something. This isn't a stereotype. Have you ever tried to refuse sex to a woman you're in a relationship with?

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This is why there is such a negative social stigma against masturbation for men - if they are in control of their sexual needs, then they have no need for women and the latter have no power. A "wanker" or "jerk-off" is a perjorative term for a man, but a woman who masturbates is "getting in touch with herself".

Thus, quotas may not be a bad thing in some cases.


Quotas for everything or for nothing then. There should be equal representation of women on garbage trucks, in mine shafts, in fire stations... equality is just that.

I meant that that specific generalisation about women was more likely to be incorrect than the alternative hypothesis (that rape is more to do with the behaviour of men than what women choose to wear). I think you know you set up a strawman in your second sentence there. I didn't argue anything about women complaining when men stare. I was arguing that what women wear is not to blame for them being raped. Even if they are naked, in no way should that justify them being raped. If a women is naked, are they more likely to be raped? Probably, but that doesn't mean the rape is justified any more than if they were fully clothed.


The example I gave was a question of where do you draw the line. Why do you wish to protect a woman's provocation? The fact that rape is against the law is protecting female privilege, because if a woman had no choice with whom to have sex with she would have no power at all.

Even though women are under-represented in some industries, but are theoretically capable of performing just as well as men in that industry, I don't think less-qualified women should be chosen over more-qualified men to fill a quota. All I agree with is that if you have two people, a man and a woman, of equal qualifications and experience, the man shouldn't be chosen over the woman because of her gender. How do you select one of the two when they have equal qualifications and experience? Well I guess that can be left down to impressions and personality and other conveniences.


Lets say you have a group of people with equal qualifications, men, women, white, asian, black, fat, thin, attractive, munters, old, young... you have to chose one, and all the others will think it's unfair - how are you going to legislate to make that choice "fair"?

Also, would you employ a woman of childbearing age? We're not a huge staff, and when a colleague of mine got pregnant everyone else had to take up the slack, and to this day due to child emergencies you cannot say no to everyone is still lumped with a burden for which they have no choice or benefit.

We can't all be winners, and if you cut out competition, that's a pretty crap society we're heading towards. Your mum will tell you not to climb the frame, it's too dangerous. Your dad will bet you a bag of sweets that you can't get to the top. Eliminate the dad's view, what are you left with?

Have you ever been on a mixed gender firefighting course? Have a go, then tell me if your family was in danger if you would like the scene to be attended by a team that had quotas.

Again, I think the disagreement here is due to a difference in life experiences. At your age, I would have been probably arguing the same way you are. Take a woman off her pedestal and take a closer look, you will quickly see that the pedestal is ill deserved.
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:18 am

I said it once I'll say it again...Where's Dr. Phil when you need him? Well wait a minute, he would just take the womans side, he all ways does.

Maybe we should invite Jerry Springer into this debait.
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Unread postAuthor: Crna Legija » Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:52 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote: This isn't a stereotype. Have you ever tried to refuse sex to a woman you're in a relationship with?


I honestly can say that i have, i meet a girl at a party she didn't wanna do it then, later i found out she goes to trade school the same day i go. I meet up with she was really wanting it asked if i wanted to, I looked into her eyes said not today baby, Dam the look in her eyes absolutely shocked. Didn't last long though went movie same night and i slammed her in my car :D .

one bad part of it was shes 15 while i was 19. :shock:

jrrdw wrote:Maybe we should invite Jerry Springer into this debait.


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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:19 am

Crna Legija wrote:one bad part of it was shes 15 while i was 19


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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:25 am

Crna Legija wrote:I honestly can say that i have, i meet a girl at a party she didn't wanna do it then, later i found out she goes to trade school the same day i go. I meet up with she was really wanting it asked if i wanted to, I looked into her eyes said not today baby, Dam the look in her eyes absolutely shocked.


Ah, but that's not in a relationship...

Also,

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Didn't last long though went movie same night and i slammed her in my car :D


See... that's how you avoid the friend zone. People want what they can't have.

one bad part of it was shes XX while i was 19. :shock:


http://www.aifs.gov.au/cfca/pubs/factsh ... index.html

I would delete that when you sober up ;)

On the subject of women, saw this today :)

"Who are we?"

"Women!"

"What do we want?"

"We don't know!"

"When do we want it?"

"Now!"


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Unread postAuthor: pneumaticcannons » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:59 am

Currently comparing and contrasting page 282 and 283 of this thread.

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Unread postAuthor: velocity3x » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:07 pm

MrCrowley wrote:I had no idea you guys have quotas like that for women.


Well....real life is really quite different from the version taught in school. :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:30 pm

one bad part of it was shes 15 while I was 19
well here in poland it wouldn't be a problem - age of consent @ 15

if I currently had a girlfriend
ohh I see - well what can I say.. hmm harden the f### up and you'll get some
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:51 pm

velocity3x wrote:Well....real life is really quite different from the version taught in school. :lol:


... especially considering the fact that teachers are disproportionately female.

ohh I see - well what can I say.. hmm harden the f### up and you'll get some


Here are sometips - given the notions you seem to have about the opposite sex, it looks like you'll need them ;)
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:56 pm

Here are some tips - given the notions you seem to have about the opposite sex, it looks like you'll need them
heh I think I have learned all of that on my own

Damn one of these
http://theabsolute.net/misogyny/sdifref.html
was used as reference in my MA thesis... lol now I am worried
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:50 pm

Damn one of these
http://theabsolute.net/misogyny/sdifref.html
was used as reference in my MA thesis.
You've got an MA? :shock:
In what subject?

Well....real life is really quite different from the version taught in school.
I don't live in America, remember. Things aren't the same down here in NZ (as far as I'm aware we don't have enforced women quotas) :wink:

I know Norway introduced legislation that has been pretty successful in getting more women in to the board room without harming business. NZ has been thinking about something similar (only 1 in 12 company directors is female and something like 60% of boards have no women at all) but we only have encouraged initiatives and not made it compulsory like Norway. They don't teach us any of this stuff at school from what I recall.

Currently comparing and contrasting page 282 and 283 of this thread.
Hahaha yeah that must look pretty weird!

This seems to be sort of related to our discussion :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:35 pm

MrCrowley wrote:
Damn one of these
http://theabsolute.net/misogyny/sdifref.html
was used as reference in my MA thesis.
You've got an MA? :shock:
In what subject?
that sounded slightly condescending, you know ?

lol as you know polish ppl are mostly uneducated so I got it thx to affirmative action :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:54 pm

I was surprised because you haven't mentioned it before, not because you're Polish. It's like when I found out that Adam Darski had a MA and wrote his thesis on "The repertoire of cinemas in the city of Gdansk in the years 1919-1923" :D

I'm genuinely interested because I'm currently figuring out whether I do an honours program for a year and then a 1-year MA/MSc or if I jump straight in to a 2-year MSc at a foreign university immediately after finishing my bachelor's. The problem with the latter option is that it's quite a commitment and I'll have to do it in a foreign country, I'm not sure if I would be ready to take such a leap without the guidance of lecturers and researchers who know me. The Honours option allows me to get a feeling for post-graduate study and writing dissertations before doing a Master's and I would also do it at the same university as my undergraduate degree under the guidance of lecturers I know. Though, I would like to get the f*ck out of NZ for a bit and live away from home and if I choose to do an Honours here in NZ, I have a break from July 2013 (finishing undergrad) to February 2014 (starting honours).
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