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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:51 am

MrCrowley wrote:It's actually really unfortunate in many cases because the girls (or god-knows-what they want to be called) are often in their early teens and are just following the examples set by older people. They don't have a chance to critically think about what they're saying and once they're hooked on the idea it is difficult for them to see things from another perspective.


You can say that about almost anything though - and in this case, it's going to come back to bite them.

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No, no it's not. It doesn't in any shape or form help the technological or cultural progress of humanity. Those who have convinced you otherwise have done an enormous disservice to you as an individual and the cause you claim to advance.

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OK - so you don't want personal responsibility or accountability, that's fine. You don't get to demand rights though.

We don't punish children severely for crimes because they are rightfully afforded diminished responsibility due to their lack of experience. We also deny them the right to vote. You can't have your cake and eat it.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:00 am

No, no it's not. It doesn't in any shape or form help the technological or cultural progress of humanity. Those who have convinced you otherwise have done an enormous disservice to you as an individual and the cause you claim to advance.
I think a gender studies degree is just as valid as any other. Gender studies isn't a synonym for women's rights or feminism, I think there are some genuinely interesting areas of research that can be studied by someone qualified in gender studies (or a similar social/cultural field). Naturally, history, as a research field, has a lot to benefit from a gender approach as gender is such a huge part of society and always has been.

While I think you may have a hard time finding a job if your degree is in Women's Studies, it's also still a legitimate degree and field of research. I believe there is also a Men's Studies (a field of research, not sure about a degree) but much of history is about men from a man's point of view so I imagine there's a lot of overlap with other fields and a lack of demand for people qualified in Men's Studies. That only reinforces Gender Studies as a legitimate field as it takes a male or female approach (or both).

I know it sounds boring and trivial, but some people are genuinely interested in how gender roles influenced the history of certain societies and things like that. If Gender Studies is used to ask new questions, answer old questions, or used to conduct research in a novel way, whilst maintaining academic integrity (historical, cultural, or scientific), then I'm perfectly happy for such a degree to be considered as valid.

I would say that Gender Studies could be a subfield of history, as I'm more familiar with its use in a historical application, but I believe it is also used in other disciplines (psychology, politics, sociology, anthropology, etc). In that way, it is similar to anthropology in the sense that it is so interdisciplinary, and focuses on a (relatively) specific area of research, that it is more useful to learn about all the different aspects of the field than just a particular subfield from a single Faculty.

edit: That second picture is a bit frustrating, I'd be pissed if I ended up in court because I misunderstood "yes" for meaning "yes".

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You can say that about almost anything though - and in this case, it's going to come back to bite them.
Not sure if the rest of your post follows on from this or is separate but I think the feminists in those photos are not quite the same as the Tumblr feminists I mentioned. The latter are more Separatists, from what I can see, while the former are mixed up with Radical feminists and Equity feminists. As I've said before, you can't lump 'em all together and that's why I attack the views of one group of feminists yet defend the views of another. It's unfortunate that they're all termed under the umbrella of 'feminism' as that deters a lot of people (me included, since RadFems are probably the majority on the internet and among younger (<30yo) people).
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:01 am

MrCrowley wrote:I know it sounds boring and trivial, but some people are genuinely interested in how gender roles influenced the history of certain societies and things like that. If Gender Studies is used to ask new questions, answer old questions, or used to conduct research in a novel way, whilst maintaining academic integrity (historical, cultural, or scientific), then I'm perfectly happy for such a degree to be considered as valid.


We might be disagreeing with the term "validity".

In terms of interest, all degrees are valid. Anything is only as important as the value you attach to it, so if you think it's valid, then it is.

What I understood from the grimacing (she seems to be in physcial pain) lady's paper message though is that by "valid", she means "worthy of a large salary". This is my interpretation, and I could be wrong, but my sense is that if you believe something is valid for your own interest, that's fine and you're unlikely to complain if other people don't give a toss about it. If however you expect your studies to be rewarded with a high paying career and you find out that in reality, this isn't going to materialise, then you would tend to voice your concern.

That second picture is a bit frustrating, I'd be pissed if I ended up in court because I misunderstood "yes" for meaning "yes".


What that is saying is that even if you physcially recorded her consenting to sex, you could still be accused of rape.

It's unfortunate that they're all termed under the umbrella of 'feminism' as that deters a lot of people (me included, since RadFems are probably the majority on the internet and among younger (<30yo) people).


My quarrel is with all women, regardless of whether they term themselves feminists or not. Guess that makes me a mysogynist. The fact that occasionally I find myself looking at certain aspects of Islamic culture and unconsciously nodding can't be a good thing right :) Not saying my views are healthy, but I see the attitudes of the radicals in the behaviour of the moderates. I keep my interaction with them to the least possible level, and that works for me. Everyone else can do whatever pleases them, I couldn't care less

What causes me to be vocal about this issue is when these opinions start to have an effect on public policy. Even that interest though has diminished, as I posted here a while ago:

JSR a few months ago wrote:Some of us on the forum often lament the "pussyfication" of the West, but as opposed to wanting to reverse the trend, some men just want to watch the world burn
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:53 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
That second picture is a bit frustrating, I'd be pissed if I ended up in court because I misunderstood "yes" for meaning "yes".


What that is saying is that even if you physically recorded her consenting to sex, you could still be accused of rape.


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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:56 am

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!

10 points :D :D :D
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:06 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:My quarrel is with all women, regardless of whether they term themselves feminists or not.
Anyone who has been here long enough will be aware that you have certain lady friends from time to time: is that something you reconcile with or do you keep things strictly "business" with the other gender?

by "valid", she means "worthy of a large salary"

I don't think that's the case in this example but I'm sure I've seen something along those lines in another photo and I would agree with you there.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:11 pm

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!

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yup who's willing to post it (or a better version of it) somewhere.. you know just for the fun of seeing ze flame war that it is likely to cause :D
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Unread postAuthor: Blitz » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:32 pm

Eh, I don't think there's any flame war going to happen. Not here, anyway - we're pretty civil about this. :)

And yes. Like I said, there's no such thing as sex with a feminist. :)
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Unread postAuthor: ramses » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:55 pm

Blitz wrote:Eh, I don't think there's any flame war going to happen. Not here, anyway - we're pretty civil about this. :)

And yes. Like I said, there's no such thing as sex with a feminist. :)


Also, I know of zero female here to argue with his view. Much feminists, who are obviously too refined and feminine for this kind of barbaric excuse for science and physics. 8)
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Unread postAuthor: Blitz » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:56 pm

This is true. :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:26 pm

POLAND_SPUD wrote:yup who's willing to post it (or a better version of it) somewhere.. you know just for the fun of seeing ze flame war that it is likely to cause :D


My thoughts exactly, this needs to be spread! Maybe redone without a stock image of a grinning twat from Dubai :)

Maybethis one.

I don't frequent anywhere online where it would cause offence though hehe

Anyone who has been here long enough will be aware that you have certain lady friends from time to time: is that something you reconcile with or do you keep things strictly "business" with the other gender?


Alas I am only flesh and blood ;) at the time when I joined this forum I was in a long term relationship, and had decided to get married, ring and all. My epiphany that I wasn't obliged to be in a relationship or seeking one came a few years later. After that, any intimate interaction was purely for the purposes of physical fulfillment, though not necessarily promoted as such.

When I was much younger, women were on a high pedestal and their approval was paramount. The things I was willing to put up with beggar belief. I used to be a genuine romantic, but then I discovered that women were more akin to spoilt children worthy of contempt than goddesses deserving adoration. The price you're willing to pay for occasional access to a wet hole becomes increasingly smaller with age.

These days, I have zero tolerance for certain behaviour, which makes me a bit of a twat. Turns out being a twat doesn't stop you getting laid though, au contraire. Wish someone had told me earlier.

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Unread postAuthor: Blitz » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:49 pm

Sounds like your experiences have been sort of parallel with mine over the years, JSR.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:53 pm

Blitz wrote:Sounds like your experiences have been sort of parallel with mine over the years, JSR.


I think one way or another, this is a process most men go through.

Earlier this year I was at a cookout and a friend was in attendance with his bouncy baby boy and lovely wife. They looked the picture of happiness but later while sharing a beer, he leaned over and whispered in the tone of a trapped animal "Don't do it man, whatever you do, don't do it!". I was rather taken aback, and that moment stayed with me.

Sometimes it's too late.

Edit: here you go POLAND :D
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Unread postAuthor: Blitz » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:54 pm

LMAO. Yep!

I have a 13mo daughter - I didn't really want a child, my wife was DYING to have one. I figured I'd appease her... and made it happen.

Fast forward about two years to now - I don't regret it whatsoever.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:23 am

Blitz wrote:I didn't really want a child, my wife was DYING to have one. .


The ticking of a biological clock is deafening :D
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