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Unread postAuthor: Labtecpower » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:37 pm

I'm going to purge my ears with insecticides just to be sure :roll:

But how the feck did you get a silverfish in your ear? I'm pretty darn confident I've slept in dirtier places than you did, and I never had anything crawling in and out my ears..
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:42 pm

Talk wrote:I had this silverfish in my ear for the whole day


Should have left it in there to fertilize that potato growing in there... :shock: :twisted:
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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:53 pm

@polandspud, I was just trying to warn you guys
Labtecpower, these things grow anywhere and the place where i live ,U.A.E its all sand so dust gets accumulated pretty fast here under beds, wardrobes ,tables etc
@jrrdw, oh my god please don't talk like that , I'm already freaking out and i don't think 1 day is enough for it to do something, is it?
current research on internet i found that they don't lay eggs in ears.

and for those who have kids in their house please please please use Insect repellant or pest control sprays because This Things grow anywhere and reproduce fast so it's almost unstoppable to put a stop to its lineage growing in your place
I can't imagine the things going into little kid's ears
I'm so angry and i don't think i can sleep tonight because i just found out that these Devils are Nocturnal
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:38 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Precisely why the drivers of "slut shaming" are women.

The main experiment described there does not contain the controls and depth that it needs to draw the conclusions that it does.

A true control would be the option to do the scenario without any societal programming. After all, in our society, walking around with your breasts out is considered quite an odd thing, but some African tribes will think differently.
However, that's obviously not really feasible. People do not grow up without any societal programming.

Still, an improvement would be to see how men would respond to the same scenario - or, indeed, how men or women would respond to men if they walked in wearing anything in any way equivalent (and I can bet there'd be some odd comments if a man walked in wearing exactly that).

Now, I've not read the report (I'm not paying a site for access to it), but I also strongly suspect that the subjects weren't exactly representative of society as a whole - using university students is probably skewed towards moderately rich Caucasian women, who are going to have a smaller subset of opinions.
After all, when we think of a typical "slut", we're likely to think lower class and less well off, not higher class and rolling in money, so clearly class is something that enters into it.

It's interesting, but is drawing too many conclusions and doesn't really provide an explanation for the social impact.
When it comes to higher profile slut shaming than talking behind people's backs, men enter into it a lot. Take that Toronto policeman who said that women shouldn't dress like sluts if they don't want to be raped and any number of people who'll stand up in front of an audience and blame society on promiscuous women (or the gays or whatever), etc, etc, etc.

Women love confident men. Taking the plunge of asking a woman out takes confidence. Are you suggesting this mould can be broken by cultural conditioning?

To an extent, yes, as that mould is partly made by cultural conditioning.

Culture strongly defines what people find attractive. Take neck rings for a visual example - the west sees that elongated neck as something really quite weird, but that's really popular in some places (if my culture is right, at least parts of Burma). And much like physical features, attraction to different personality traits is educated by cultures.

Don't try to understand women
Women understand women and they hate each other

This is the most shared actual advice mallard meme. Clearly it resonates with people.

And this is the most shared Insanity Puppy meme. Clearly, people believe puppies murder their owners.

(Actually, it's not so funny in the light of our last dog, but that's a story for another time).

Men and women are different.

And I said the same. But everyone is different - just saying someone is different doesn't mean they're beyond understanding... or somehow "wrong".

No action was taken in Syria, sabre rattling is hardly a good example of military prowess.

Of course there wasn't "direct military action" - the Syrian regime realised that giving in was the only way to stop the French coming. ;)

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Rag, can I ask if you have ever had a long term relationship with a woman?

Yes. But that answer is probably less binary in what it means than you're likely to be thinking, given your choice of wording was "Outlier".
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:57 pm

No offence ragnarok but I see your response and I am almost sure it contains nothing interesting. We already had it with MrC. I know your views on this. I get it that you don't get it - and I am pretty sure nothing will change your mind - you need some personal experience for that... seriously get an LTR or two
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yup couldn't put it better myself. At work better hope your boss is a man. Most women prefer their bosses to be men, and most women prefer to work in a male dominated environment. Don't get me wrong almost all the places where I worked were female dominated and that meant I was better off than most women there just use your looks on some older chicks who dig young males and it's fine. Actually one of my last bosses was really as good as any male boss would be, all professional and stuff. But overall based on my experience never work in a female dominated environment. The amount of drama you have to put up with is just totally not worth it. Though the worst are manginas who somehow managed to assimilate well and are actually worse than normal women
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:20 pm

POLAND_SPUD wrote:I know your views on this.

I doubt it, seeing as you seem to be missing the reasons for my views.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:26 pm

truth has no reasons - it just is
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:40 pm

"Truth"? I'll let xkcd say it:

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:41 am

Ragnarok wrote:The main experiment described there does not contain the controls and depth that it needs to draw the conclusions that it does.

A true control would be the option to do the scenario without any societal programming.


We live in the culture that we live in. Data gathered from people raised in a vacuum would be completely irrelevant. I'm guessing you buy into this whole patriarchy-male privilege-internalized misogyny excrement.

After all, in our society, walking around with your breasts out is considered quite an odd thing, but some African tribes will think differently.


Some African tribes are still living in their mud huts while here we are posting on a forum on the internet. Heck even the ancient Greeks covered up. I'm not saying that correleation is causation, but it seems freely available bewbs hinders progress.

However, that's obviously not really feasible. People do not grow up without any societal programming.


Exactly. So should why should there be special pleading for women. I was programmed to put women on a pedestal, that didn't work out.

After all, when we think of a typical "slut", we're likely to think lower class and less well off, not higher class and rolling in money, so clearly class is something that enters into it.


WHAT?!

You are either naive or being deliberately blind. If you think of "slut" as "woman who charges money for sex", then yes - but if you define it as "woman who has polished more knobs than the head knob polisher at a knob factory", then class has absolutely nothing to do with it. I know a lot of rich girls who have banged every guy in their circle of friends, I have been with rich girls on holiday who had a boyfriend/fiancee back home. Damn, nothing filthier than a woman away from her home country where she feels she will not be judged by her peers.

When it comes to higher profile slut shaming than talking behind people's backs, men enter into it a lot. Take that Toronto policeman who said that women shouldn't dress like sluts if they don't want to be raped and any number of people who'll stand up in front of an audience and blame society on promiscuous women (or the gays or whatever), etc, etc, etc.


Of course women want to be able to dress like sluts, if they were wearing a burqa their power of seduction is completely nullified. In effect, Islamic dress for women is the abrahamic variation of girls on the internet.

Tits or GTFO!

A woman will wear a low cut top and complain that creeps are staring at her breasts. Should this illogical behaviour be tolerated, nay protected? Women are free to wear whatever they want, but I am free to judge them accordingly.

To an extent, yes, as that mould is partly made by cultural conditioning.


To what extent as opposed to biology?

Culture strongly defines what people find attractive. Take neck rings for a visual example - the west sees that elongated neck as something really quite weird, but that's really popular in some places (if my culture is right, at least parts of Burma). And much like physical features, attraction to different personality traits is educated by cultures


In studies I've seen, women rate alpha male features as most attractive when they are ovulating, and less rough features when they are not. These are the same friggin' people but at different times of the month. Have fun juggling with that.

And this is the most shared Insanity Puppy meme. Clearly, people believe puppies murder their owners


Apples and oranges, the puppy is amusing because of the implied violence. There is nothing similarly amusing about actual advice mallard.

And I said the same. But everyone is different - just saying someone is different doesn't mean they're beyond understanding... or somehow "wrong".


I have no tolerance for irrational people, male or female, it just so happens that the most irrational people I know are women. It doesn't make them "wrong", but it does make me rapidly lose interest in their opinions.

Of course there wasn't "direct military action" - the Syrian regime realised that giving in was the only way to stop the French coming. ;)


Giving up their chemical weapons (which by most accounts they weren't using anyway...) is really irrelevant to the Syrian regime, they are still on the way to crushing the rebels and gave the opportunity to the US government to save face after all the empty threats which the Western public failed to back.

Yes. But that answer is probably less binary in what it means than you're likely to be thinking, given your choice of wording was "Outlier".


I'll take that as an ill concealed no vis a vis what I asked. It doesn't mean your evaluation is not relevant, but it does mean that it is coming from a different background.

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POLAND_SPUD wrote:At work better hope your boss is a man. Most women prefer their bosses to be men, and most women prefer to work in a male dominated environment. Don't get me wrong almost all the places where I worked were female dominated and that meant I was better off than most women there just use your looks on some older chicks who dig young males and it's fine. Actually one of my last bosses was really as good as any male boss would be, all professional and stuff. But overall based on my experience never work in a female dominated environment. The amount of drama you have to put up with is just totally not worth it. Though the worst are manginas who somehow managed to assimilate well and are actually worse than normal women


True, true.

Fu(k that, be the boss. Put that coffee down. Get yourself some brass balls.

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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:43 am

Here's something for the peanut gallery: what are your thoughts on male grooming? Specifically hair removal.

I'll play my cards close to the chest for now but let's just say I've gotten snide/rude remarks from several people before somewhere like a pool or the beach (none of them were women ( :roll: ), and no I wear a normal bathing suit which comes all the way down to my knees).

...and before JSR pipes up it's not for the purpose of impressing women.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:06 am

This thread gets weirder and weirder

It's a tricky issue you know. Some women prefer hairy guys some say otherwise. Perhaps it has something to do with ovulation.

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Yeah, plus avoid hidden taxation. Here if you're on a payroll you're employer is supposed to pay at least 300$ for social insurance, retirement plan and medial insurance. The funny ting is that the system will go bankrupt - so my generation has no chance to get the money they pumped into the system.

I can't believe they designed a system in a way that it is possible to legally avoid taxation and various hidden taxes, profit from it and that they are surprised that more and more people are doing it. It's precisely in line with all those videos on men opting out - if you analyse the economy and everything you just see that the government is screwing you over.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:07 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Data gathered from people raised in a vacuum would be completely irrelevant.

Hardly. You're more or less saying that it's meaningless to try and change society because women are inherently that way. But that's not true - those women are at least in part shaped by society.

In any case, citing a study that looks at only women and then saying only women do something just doesn't work. That's like what happened when they looked at how burn worked without looking at magnesium - we ended up with phlogiston theory.

Some African tribes are still living in their mud huts while here we are posting on a forum on the internet.

As you said, correlation is not the same as causation. Without proving that the two are linked, the technological level of the society is irrelevant.

You are either naive or being deliberately blind.

... or simply living in a different society. Perhaps I was overgeneralising my personal experiences, but around here, that's genuinely how I find it to be. Or perhaps I'm just too "properly" British and therefore evaluate what I find lower class to be differently.

In effect, Islamic dress for women is the abrahamic variation of girls on the internet.

Ye gods. Is the idea of interacting with women in a way that isn't eventually trying to get them into bed that alien to people?

I'm not so shallow that I'm falsely polite to women in the hope I might get to screw them silly. Maybe I'm just not testosterone addled enough, but I find women interesting in so many more ways than just their naked bodies.

To what extent as opposed to biology?

Well, that's a complex philosophical and psychological question.

Nature versus Nurture is something that's been out there for millennia - Aristotle first proposed the Tabula Rasa theory (the idea that humans are a blank slate, written only by Nurture) in De Anima, although it would really be by the time of Avicenna before it really got discussed.

Now, behavioural genetics do provide a body of evidence that not all parts of the mind are shaped by nurture. But there's not a lot of agreement over how much the psychology of gender is defined by society.

In short, scientists haven't worked it out exactly to what extent it's one way or the other. However, most schools of psychoanalysis presently assume most elements of identity are nurture.

These are the same friggin' people but at different times of the month.

And my mood changes depending on the time of day. Any time past about midnight, I won't stop talking and think using overly complicated words is funny.

Apples and oranges, the puppy is amusing because of the implied violence. There is nothing similarly amusing about actual advice mallard.

Not in terms of violence, no. But memes are a form of humour. This is another one of the top Advice Mallard memes, which is clearly a semantic joke, based on two possible interpretations of the phrase "pick up".

The popularity of a meme is not based solely on accuracy.

I'll take that as an ill concealed no vis a vis what I asked.

Then I'll rephrase.

Yes, I've had long term relationships with women. However, I'm not the high-libido heterosexual male that you're stereotyping me as, so my drive in those circumstances and the viewpoint from which I have interpreted them is not the same as yours.

My relationships are not looking for a sex toy. I'm looking for a life partner and, to be quite honest, I'm happy for that life partner to be man or woman. Or in between, if that's what they want to be.

mark.f wrote:Here's something for the peanut gallery: what are your thoughts on male grooming? Specifically hair removal.

Depends on exactly which hair you're talking about.

But as a general rule, I'd treat it like I would a comb-over. Acting like you've got hair when you really haven't doesn't fool anyone - you'll look more dignified with none.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:17 pm

mark.f wrote:...and before JSR pipes up it's not for the purpose of impressing women.


A futile gesture that would be, they will like you hirsute or not two weeks out of every month ;)

I'm with David Mitchell on the subject of male grooming.



Do whatever you're most comfortable with :)

Ye gods. Is the idea of interacting with women in a way that isn't eventually trying to get them into bed that alien to people?


Having found their spirits vapid, I cannot see any appeal beyond the physical these days.

I'm not so shallow that I'm falsely polite to women in the hope I might get to screw them silly. Maybe I'm just not testosterone addled enough, but I find women interesting in so many more ways than just their naked bodies.


I used to do the same. The mind grows weary of infantile games, especially as one's libido diminishes with age. Also, being polite to women is not a good way to get to screw them.

My relationships are not looking for a sex toy. I'm looking for a life partner and, to be quite honest, I'm happy for that life partner to be man or woman. Or in between, if that's what they want to be.


Again, I once harbored this desire. Turns out Slipknot were as right as they were crude, people = sh1t. I am not excluding myself from the subset of people by the way. On the subject of gay sex, it had been suggested to me that "since you hate women so much, maybe you should be gay!". The issue though, and the reason why I find myself taking an interest in gender issues and diving enthusiastically into these debates is that I still find women sexually attractive.

One of the benefits of being genuinely indifferent to a woman's opinions and doing your own thing is that it makes you more attractive to them, so this works for me :) If you still find women interesting beyond the periodic use of the wet holes they harbor, then we won't see eye to eye, but I have no reason to impose my belief system on you.

Also, I like this song. Cool lyrics.

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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:30 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:The issue though, and the reason why I find myself taking an interest in gender issues and diving enthusiastically into these debates is that I still find women sexually attractive.

I'm not going to dive into that particular suggestion, mostly because "maybe you should be gay" is generally trying to be an insult, and I'm just not cool with that.

Still, my perspective wouldn't really let me be attracted to people solely on physical terms.

Also, I like this song. Cool lyrics.

Not sure about the accuracy of those lyrics though.

It's not agreed whether the people who eventually pulled him out of the way were secret police or civilians...

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:17 am

Ragnarok wrote:I'm not going to dive into that particular suggestion, mostly because "maybe you should be gay" is generally trying to be an insult, and I'm just not cool with that.


It was directed to me as an insult, by a woman. I believe it is categorized as "Code Lavender". What I find amusing about this list is that it attempts to give rational responses to these insults when the person using them has clearly abandoned logic and is attempting to argue emotionally.

... but I see the man who brought shopping bags to a tank fight and won.


Won what exactly?
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