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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:51 pm

It's far cheaper for me to buy a HW97 in the US, pay $120 for shipping, and the $100 odd in transfers. But for now I'm happy with this one.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:36 pm

The TX200 is worth looking at, it's smoother than the 97K out of the box.

On a slightly related note, medical interest in developments in airgun ammunition. The last line is telling of the ban-anything-slightly-dangerous UK culture...
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:38 pm

I'll keep an eye out. The LGS only order through specific suppliers, but I'll see if they'll get one in.

Also contemplating a used Diana in .177, get a feel for that calibre too. But I must say .22 is so easy to load in the dark, and hits pretty hard even at such low speeds.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:06 pm

Zeus wrote:Also contemplating a used Diana in .177, get a feel for that calibre too. But I must say .22 is so easy to load in the dark, and hits pretty hard even at such low speeds.


Personally, I never cared for 0.22" air rifles below 15 ft-lbs. If the gun is relatively low powered, 0.177" gives superior penetration and flatter trajectory, much easier to shoot accurately out to 50 yards.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:21 pm

.177 is a lot flatter, but I see the lack of penetration as a good thing. A pellet that hits a target and passes through delivers less energy on target than one which stops dead or breaks apart. I shoot .22s out to 200 yards on occasion, so rainbow trajectories aren't a problem in my opinion. Right now my zero is 1" high at 20, dead on at 30, 1" low at 38 roughly.

It's a very strange feeling being undergunned, I'm not used to it.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:23 pm

Also contemplating a used Diana
lol too late - she died a couple of years ago in a car accident /references_to_promiscuous_princesses

Personally I've heard that the QB78 is quite good - though I'd probably convert it to HPA
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:25 pm

PS, I nearly said inb4 Diana jokes.

I'm trying to avoid PCPs because let's face it, pumping sucks mangy cat scrotum and my nearest fill station is 40km away.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:51 pm

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She certainly was a "used" Diana hehehe

0.177 is a lot flatter, but I see the lack of penetration as a good thing. A pellet that hits a target and passes through delivers less energy on target than one which stops dead or breaks apart.


Ah, but it's not about energy.

Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock"
of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration. The bullet must pass through the large, blood bearing organs and be of sufficient diameter to promote rapid bleeding...

Given desirable and reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs
from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.


Again sub 15 ft-lbs, I would stick with 0.177".

I'm trying to avoid PCPs because let's face it, pumping sucks mangy cat scrotum and my nearest fill station is 40km away.


It's good exercise :) investing in your own fill setup is not terribly expensive either.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:11 pm

Gippeto wrote:LOL....if the UK media and government were having a bird over the 3d printed PLASTIC gun....wait'll they see this.

Actually, not been such a big thing.

Two things made the Liberator good news:
- It can be made scary by saying the printers are on a consumer budget.
- The designer is an anarchist who gave the media all kinds of sound-bites like "There are states all over the world that say 'We're a gun control state, you can't own a firearm' - that's not true any more.".

The 1911DMLS has neither of those things; the machinery costs as much as a house and the sound-bites from the company are along the lines of "we weren't trying to find a way to make a cheaper, easier, better way to make a gun; that wasn't the point". They also haven't handed the files out for free. (Not that 1911 blueprints are tough to come by otherwise).

In short, it's a much harder story to spin so it sounds scary - despite the much more practical firearm produced.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:24 pm

Ragnarok wrote:Two things made the Liberator good news:
- It can be made scary by saying the printers are on a consumer budget.
- The designer is an anarchist who gave the media all kinds of sound-bites like "There are states all over the world that say 'We're a gun control state, you can't own a firearm' - that's not true any more.".


After seeing this video I had a lot more sympathy for Cody Wilson's views and motivations.

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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:28 pm

Well, to an extent, I agree with him. After all, I'm here on Spudfiles, so I do have interest in things of a ballistic nature.

But my opinions don't make his saying things that translate as "LOL, ur gun contrul iz ewesliss" in an interview with British journalists any less scandalous though.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:20 am

Ragnarok wrote:But my opinions don't make his saying things that translate as "LOL, ur gun contrul iz ewesliss" in an interview with British journalists any less scandalous though.


It is useless though. A barrelled device capable of generating more than 12 ft-lbs of muzzle energy is an illegal firearm without a license in the eyes of British law, but those who want them still have them. What's the use of banning everything if you can't enforce it?
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:52 am

She swears it's mine! I dispute that accusation... :D



JSR wrote:After seeing this video I had a lot more sympathy for Cody Wilson's views and motivations.


I've used the very bench and place at that very bench where that plastic pistol is being tested! Only differance is the Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum I was shooting worked everytime I pulled the trigger. :D
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:11 am

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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:35 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:It is useless though.

There's a big difference between imperfect and useless.

The UK's firearms homicide rate of 0.05 (per 100,000) is one of the lowest in the world, close on two orders of magnitude less than the rate in the USA, so clearly the gun control here isn't ineffective (even if there are a few weirdos grossly misusing innocent plumbing supplies).
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