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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:30 pm

A week ago I was talking to my classmates about horror stories and one of them asked us(guys) if we wanted to play a board game she said that her friends wouldn't have the guts to play that game or maybe she asked us because she wanted guys to play the game too ,now I did some research about this "game" and turns out this is some scary stuff including spirits, drak energies and that sort of things
I found this on site called ghostwalk.com


Any one of you have any experience with this stuff?
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:30 am

Talk wrote:Any one of you have any experience with this stuff?


I think it's all a load of bollocks, there are no such things as spirits.

The logic for me is that who we are is linked to the physical state of the brain. We are different people with different personalities when we feel sick or tired, there is no such thing as "me". You can destroy parts of the brain and completely change their personality. The case of Phineas Gage is a good example. In less extreme cases, people can suffer strokes which dramatically alter their character.

In view of these facts, I find it nonsensical to know that you can destroy parts of brain and change the essense of a person, and then also believe that you can destroy the brain completely when someone dies and yet something of their character will remain.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:38 pm

Any one of you have any experience with this stuff?
I doubt you'll find much sympathy for that kind of thing, this is essentially a science forum after all. If our contraptions were built based on 'gut-feelings' or some form of pseudo-science, I don't think there would be many of us left to talk about them :D
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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:08 pm

I doubt you'll find much sympathy for that kind of thing, this is essentially a science forum after all. If our contraptions were built based on 'gut-feelings' or some form of pseudo-science, I don't think there would be many of us left to talk about them

Noh, i just asked that because yesterday's research about the Ouija Board just changed the way i was thinking and even i felt like someone was staring me from the corner of my room. :lol: I thought someone might know something about this thing even if they don't think it's true maybe they were led to this stuff by friends etc.

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote: I think it's all a load of bollocks, there are no such thing as spirits.


"such thing" does that involve Jinns too?

We are different people with different personalities when we feel sick or tired
Agree, my sisters teacher said my sister behaved different (mentally,behavioral, temperamental) when she attended school before some months when she was sick.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:24 pm

Talk wrote:"such thing" does that involve Jinns too?
I assume JSR would include those under "a load of bollocks", the key term in that wikipedia page is supernatural.
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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:42 pm

I can say probably you too would include these under "a load of bollocks", but why?
Is it because science doesn't explain such things in terms of Wavicle or some theory?
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:00 pm

Talk wrote:I can say probably you too would include these under "a load of bollocks", but why?

Because they have no foundation in science. By this, I don't necessarily mean that they don't fit in any current scientific field or theory, I mean that they are either not testable by the scientific method or their claims have not been upheld by the scientific method.

It's the same reason I include other pseudo-science, such as homoeopathy, as "a load of bollocks". People tend to be scientific in every aspect of their lives except for the one where it contradicts their personal beliefs. You wouldn't abandon science and uphold pseudo-scientific beliefs to cross the road when there's a car 50 meters away from you travelling 30 meters per second because you know that you're almost certainly going to get run over. But when spiritual or pseudo-scientific beliefs don't infringe too much on daily life or put your life in danger, people seem to forget about science and rational thought, throw it out the window, and indulge in some bullsh|t :D

I think a key issue here is people think that science is some separate entity that works for what it does and doesn't apply anywhere else (such as the supernatural). But science isn't simply a group of smaller scientific fields, it's not only an amalgamation of physics, biology, chemistry, geology, etc. Science is a way of knowing, it is a systematic process of determining what is probably true and what is probably false. Science is the only way that we are able to determine this. If you want to provide evidence for the supernatural, you either need to subject it to the scientific process or you need to develop a new way of knowing and independently prove that this new way of knowing actually works. So far, there is yet to be an alternative to science.
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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:54 pm

These are some definition of the word supernatural 1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe 2: attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
According to these meanings what if this is something beyond the limits of science?
Like you said
Science is a way of knowing
what if there is no way of knowing it by means of science or laws of science?
or you need to develop a new way of knowing
so until then you're not going to believe even if you saw something weird in front of you eg: a person being lifted up in air and smacked against a wall or somthging like that?
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:24 pm

According to these meanings what if this is something beyond the limits of science?

Then you need a method independent of science to evaluate the evidence supporting the claim. You can't say "it's beyond the limits of science, therefore it's reasonable to say the claim is true". You need some method to evaluate whether the claim is true or not. Side-stepping science doesn't help the claim, you then need to come up with another method (which is yet to exist) to evaluate the claim. If the claim cannot be evaluated using any method, then we treat the claim as false until evidence suggests otherwise.

so until then you're not going to believe even if you saw something weird in front of you eg: a person being lifted up in air and smacked against a wall or somthging like that?
Well that's claim that can be evaluated by science. If I saw someone do what you described, I'd first run through a list of probable causes. If none of those probable causes are the culprit, and I am certain that what I saw really happened, then I would say that it is unexplained. There is no evidence to suggest that ghosts or spirits were any more likely to be the culprit than Vladimir Putin wearing an invisibility cloak or a Frankenstein banana brought to life by some mad scientists and given the power of consciousness, invisibility, and immense strength.

attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Note that nothing supernatural has ever been observed. The term supernatural is defined as outside the laws or understanding of science, but that does not mean it exists! It's a definition for a word, not evidence. For all we know, and from what current understanding suggests, there is nothing supernatural.
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:26 pm

Talk wrote:Any one of you have any experience with this stuff?


It's considered a "witch board". For conjuring.

JSR wrote:I think it's all a load of bollocks, there are no such thing as spirits.


Try telling that to the woman in this video. Her husbend Ed is the only man on Earth reconized by the Catholic Church as a 'demonologist'.


Here's another good one...

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:09 am

Talk wrote:so until then you're not going to believe even if you saw something weird in front of you eg: a person being lifted up in air and smacked against a wall or somthging like that?


What a convenient example :D imagine you saw this happening, pretty much exactly what you describe:



You would have seen a woman lift a man against a wall without touching him.

You couldn't explain it, because you didn't know it was a prank - so would you immediately have come to the conclusion that it must be supernatural?

A critical mind would see this and say "Well, in my experience people do not have telekinetic powers. No one in the history of humanity has ever proven to have telekinetic powers. Therefore, what is more likely:
a) I am witnessing the first ever instance of a person gifted with telekinetic powers
b) there is some kind of trickery involved and this is just a stunt"

If you choose a) without first thinking b), you should really examine the way you evaluate your experiences.

I hate the guy's pedantic tone but the information given is worth listening to:



Try telling that to the woman in this video. Her husband Ed is the only man on Earth recognized by the Catholic Church as a 'demonologist'.


Citing the Catholic Church as an authority is questionable at best ;)

The snopes article has some valid criticism of the couple you mention:

The truth behind The Amityville Horror was finally revealed when Butch DeFeo's lawyer, William Weber, admitted that he, along with the Lutzes, "created this horror story over many bottles of wine." The house was never really haunted; the horrific experiences they had claimed were simply made up. Jay Anson further embellished the tale for his book, and by the time the film's screenwriters had adapted it, any grains of truth that might have been there were long gone. While the Lutzes profited handsomely from their story, Weber had planned to use the haunting to gain a new trial for his client. George Lutz reportedly still claims that the events are mostly true, but has offered no evidence to back up his claim.

The Lutzes account was likely influenced by another fictionalized story, that of The Exorcist. In fact, it is not much of a stretch to suggest that The Exorcist strongly influenced The Amityville Story: Recall that The Exorcist came out in December 1973, and demonic possession and hauntings were very much in the public's mind when the Lutzes spun their stories of diabolic activity a year or two later. The revelation that the story was based on a hoax has led to embarrassment, especially among the handful of "paranormal experts" who "verified" the fictional tale. The Lutzes must have had a good laugh at the expense of the mystery-mongering ghost hunters and self-proclaimed psychics who reported their terrifying visions and verified the house's (non-existent) demonic residents.

To this day, the fact that The Amityville Horror story was an admitted hoax is still not widely known — as we often say, the truth never stands in the way of a good story. Though the story was made up by the Lutzes and further sensationalized by Anson, there were real victims of The Amityville Horror (the film, not the demons). In addition to the murdered DeFeo family, the subsequent occupants of the Amityville home have suffered a continual stream of harassment by curiosity seekers, horror fans, and gawkers who want to photograph and tour their infamous house. Then there are the people who, fooled by the films' and book's tagline, think they are partaking of works based on true events.
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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:57 am

so until then you're not going to believe even if you saw something weird in front of you eg: a person being lifted up in air and smacked against a wall or somthging like that?

By that I meant a person lifted by a sprit or Jinn, not by someone with telekenetic powers :|

Okay, so the conclusion would be some thing like "there is nothing supernatural."

But me and my friends are planning to carry out this investigation with the Ouija (Wee'ja) board and what if the planchette moves by itself ,what do I say to them? That is was our subconcious mind that was moving the planchette or there was a spirit present over there?
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:53 am

Talk wrote:By that I meant a person lifted by a sprit or Jinn, not by someone with telekenetic powers :|


It doesn't matter, I could have made that same prank without the actress.

Okay, so the conclusion would be some thing like "there is nothing supernatural."


I would not be so absolute. I would say that "So far, we have found no evidence of the supernatural."

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and that is something in all of human history that we have never seen.

Talk wrote:But me and my friends are planning to carry out this investigation with the Ouija (Wee'ja) board and what if the planchette moves by itself ,what do I say to them? That is was our subconcious mind that was moving the planchette or there was a spirit present over there?


http://mindhacks.com/2013/08/15/what-ma ... oard-move/

Tell me what is more likely, that spirits make the board move or that the above link is true?

If you want to do a real test, do it with a proper blindfold!

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Unread postAuthor: Talk » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:53 am

JSR wrote:If you want to do a real test, do it with a proper blindfold!


Blindfold everyone who will touch the planchette during the session?
Then how do we interpret the answers that will be given by the moving planchette?


Tell me what is more likely, that spirits make the board move or that the above link is true?


Yes, part of me agrees with the article but at the same time I also feel like there is a spirit that moves the planchette.
okay so can I ask the spirit to scratch " I am Real " on JSR's back? :evil5:
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