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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:49 am

Alster370 wrote:but the price for HCI is ridiculous


Not trying to pick on you, but last time I checked it was about $5-$8 for 4 litres at the local hardware store. And that's in Australia.
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Unread postAuthor: Alster370 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:09 am

Not trying to pick on you

I wouldn't assume you were :D
I guess it is cheaper elsewhere but in the uk its quite expensive, or perhaps im just looking in the wrong place?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydrochloric- ... 0573774735
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:16 am

Pool supplies are very handy. You can also find it in the concrete section of a hardware store.
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Unread postAuthor: Alster370 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:20 am

Thats a pretty good deal, 25L at 28% for £30.

I noticed that you could get a "brick cleaning solution" 25L for about £22. will Al still react with this even though its 10% HCI?
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Unread postAuthor: inonickname » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:40 am

Goats spudz wrote:
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Why use magnesium?


Its nice and reactive, you could even use white vinegar instead of HCI or NaOH and get a good result. White vinegar is cheaper too. :D


But like I said, magnesium is substantially more expensive and more difficult to find, and requires more specialized storing.

Also, what makes you think you could use NaOH with Mg to produce hydrogen? :?
Pencil sharpeners and Firestarters are made from Mg, with the Pencil sharpeners drop it in vinegar and you should see a lot of bubbles, if you don't then you have an aluminium one, or just try lighting powder filed from one :)


I know they are, but that doesn't make them economically viable next to aluminium, which is available in large amounts from extrusions and castings.

Yes, magnesium will bubble in vinegar. This doesn't mean it will bubble in NaOH, which is basic. Aluminium only reacts because it's amphoteric.

Look, cheapest route:

Cast Aluminium and:
Concentrated (moderately crude) HCl for pools/brick cleaning
OR
NaOH dissolved in water from drain cleaner

Magnesium will simply never be a cheaper alternative.
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Unread postAuthor: Brian the brain » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:59 am

Not just cannons can run on HHO..learn how to build a reactor and increase mileage on any gas engine:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na1Z5dus2LQ&list=FLMrubpA57aHlOdeYH7IyHow&feature=mh_lolz[/youtube]

My brother is building one at the moment and when he figures it out and can spoonfeed me I'll implement it on my bobber-bike!!

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Unread postAuthor: Alster370 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:38 am

For now I think im going to use sodium bicarbonate to make some smaller quantities of hydrogen.

heat sodium bicarb = sodium carbonate
sodium carbonate+water+al = Hydrogen + other products :D

BTB: Ive always liked hydrogen as a fuel, but there is a certain charm about steam that makes it more appealing :D
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:23 pm

Brian the brain wrote:Not just cannons can run on HHO..learn how to build a reactor and increase mileage on any gas engine:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na1Z5dus2LQ&list=FLMrubpA57aHlOdeYH7IyHow&feature=mh_lolz[/youtube]

My brother is building one at the moment and when he figures it out and can spoonfeed me I'll implement it on my bobber-bike!!

:D


So let me get this right.

1) burn more petrol in the engine to generate more electricity than normal to power a hydrogen producing cell

2) burn the hydrogen to generate power in the engine


In a nutshell...

Am I to understand that tearing water apart using electricity and then turning it back into water... results in more energy out than you put in?


Or another way of putting it, the hydrogen you generate has to produce more energy than the petrol you burnt to get it.

Don't forget about the wasted energy as you generated the hydrogen. Such as heat.
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:23 pm

Hi everyone
The reactor is made of Nylon 1FR4 and all the pipes are these dimensions/ material: 4milimiters inside and six outside diameter and are made of high pressure plastic, they stand at least 6/8 bars....
The reactor as all of you Know has a safety valve and I have also put in a valve,(pistol one) that i have with me while the reaction is active, to reduce the pressure inside the H2Reactor, it reaches 4 bars, today I have filled a ballon with H2 and did a fire test, with a remote ignition system i have done and shown in the following picture, i had used Zn instead of Al because Zn is more reactive so it produces the final product really fast, the ZnCl2 didn´t react with the nylon as I first thought to do and the H2R also has a Pressurized Injection System (PIS) designed by me that consists in not only the use of gravity force to put the HCL in the H2R, it is a chamber, PVC chamber to not react with the HCL, and it has another valve,(pistol one) in my hand that is connected with my compressor, at 4bars, and it injects all the HCL (0.5L), inside the H2R.(I have used an electrolysis but it was to slow... and with my scrubber on H2R it is now a better option to follow.
(I´m going to load the H2R pictures)
In the RIS, I- BLB (burn laser box), the ignition;
II- bearing that allows the thread which brings the ballon of H2 that has less density than the air and rises high, touch the laser beam to explode(this was done already);
III-The electric motor that rolls the wire to pull the balloon to the ignition.

The reactor was done in a CNC.

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Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:49 am

How long does it take to produce enough hydrogen to power our hybrid? :D
Oh and one more thing, did a little research, nylon may not be a good material to deal with acid... If any body knows more about nylon+acid could help. I still think it´s better to do a anti-acid coating in the inside of the chamber, like fiber glass or epoxy, before further using.
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CpTn_lAw wrote::D "yay, me wanna make big multishot pnoob with 1000 psi foot pump compressor using diamond as main material. Do you think wet bread make good sealant? " :D
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:59 pm

There is no problem using acid inside the Nylon 1FR4 reactor, I guarantee you that I have done a long research before doing it, dont`t you think?
Now I have the pictures.
I will load them as soon as possible....


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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:22 pm

The pictures....

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The Pistol Valve with the ballons, sample of H2 not purified yet.
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Is not necessary to unscrew all the screws, the cover turn around the Reactor body axis..jpg
An easy and advanced system
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The pressure gauge and the safety valve
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The electro valves to keep distance from the Reactor while working, and the remote control comand
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Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:23 pm

wow it looks exceptionally good, far better than I ever imagined, certainly the best homemade hydrogen reactor I have ever seen. Congratulations.
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:58 pm

Not exceptionally :) but thanks....


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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:26 pm

Search on YOUTUBE the H2R being machined on a CNC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPN5xCAp ... oU8i8l_WI=


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