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Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:41 pm

light projectile -> bullet with less weight.
Burning speed matters. A faster burning is better than a relatively slow one, as soon as detonation does not happen.
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:48 pm

WYZ I was asking Mr.Jimmy, I know that is really important, but it isnt probably that it will detonate, even if it happens, it wont damage de gun.


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Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:21 am

Edit: erro, irrelevant post.
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Unread postAuthor: Crna Legija » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:54 am

I believe they talking about DDT
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Unread postAuthor: DYI » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:39 am

In hybrid launchers, burn speed is of limited relevance, as the "valve" does not open until the desired pressure is reached, regardless of how long that takes. A problem would arise if the burn was so slow that heat transfer to the chamber walls became an issue, but that's not the case with any propellant mixes which have been tried so far.

Detonation could be useful in certain "specialized" cases, but it's never been tested at all (and is agreed to be useless for "normal" launchers). Larda's HyGaC20 suffered a particularly poor shot which appeared to be a detonation, and a few people have had bulged or ruptured barrels which were attributed to DDT. It is important to note that detonation of all or most of the fuel load is essentially unknown to us - local shocks created by the reaction front interacting with chamber geometry are likely responsible for the bulged barrels and all or most of the PVC hybrid "detonations" back in the day.

@RJB: as I mentioned above, "detonation" is something of a sliding scale. All else being equal, hydrogen mixes do detonate more readily than gaseous alkane mixtures, so you will be more likely to see these small bulges and cracks. Unless you're doing something really silly like using a 2:1 hydrogen/oxygen mix, you're unlikely to detonate the entire fuel load accidentally (which would cause damage to any chamber which wasn't very overbuilt).
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Unread postAuthor: Alster370 » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:01 am

detonation could be useful in certain "specialized" cases, but it's never been tested


It would be interesting to see it adapted into a hybrid, if only for experimentation. Wikipedia also claims that detonations have maximum pressures of at least 4x that of deflagration.
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:15 pm

I am gonna use it(H2) at first, on a combustion cannon, not a in a hybrid.

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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:25 am

RJB INDUSTRIES wrote:What do you mean with light projectile?
Do you think that in a gun the burn rate doesn´t matter jimmy?

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Depends on the gun and ammo. For a heavy ammo then burn rate is probably unimportant. For a light ammo, imagine shooting a ping pong ball, then burn rate would be much more important.

Plus, burn rate tends to be linked to the movement of the ammo. Even with a slow burning fuel and a light ammo the movement of the gases as they push the ammo down the barrel will tend to increase the burn rate.
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Unread postAuthor: Alster370 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:53 am

ideally you want slower burn rates for heavy projectiles, and fast burn rates for light projectiles. This is because the heavy ammunition cannot react as quickly as the light projectile and thus, a fast burning propellant would be less effective.
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:26 pm

I will use nylon or aluminium ammos in this H2M, Light projectiles, I hope the steel chamber and barrel work well.


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Unread postAuthor: Alster370 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:29 pm

You are aware that hydrogen can damage steel? what type are you using?
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:27 pm

I have a huge number of choices, i haven´t pick one yet.
I am doing the calculations firs, what do you think about a 0.5L chamber?


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Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:56 pm

If you go for a combustion, 0.5l is too small, I would suggest 2l. Stainless steel should work with hydrogen.
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Unread postAuthor: RJB INDUSTRIES » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:23 pm

Is too small maybe with butane or propane with H2 I think that you haven´t done calculations yet, I will calculate the energy that is produced by a 0.5L h2 chamber and compare with a butane one.


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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:02 pm

RJB INDUSTRIES wrote:Is too small maybe with butane or propane with H2 I think that you haven´t done calculations yet, I will calculate the energy that is produced by a 0.5L h2 chamber and compare with a butane one.


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If you do the calculation correctly you'll find the energy is virtually the same. BTW, you should use "low heat values" and not "high heat values" for the combustions, though the difference isn't all that great. (See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_effic ... nt_of_fuel)
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