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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:13 pm

I share PS's opinion, just because you don't need it, doesn't mean it should be taken from you. You don't need a V8 yank tank do you? You can get down the road in a shitty 1.3L Japanese car, so therefore you shouldn't have a V8.

Don't let the US go down the same road we went down, obviously firearm restrictions won't be as tight as down here for a long time, but how would you like to have laws like Commiefornia throughout the whole country. And the NRA will do jack crap, always talking about "sporting purpose".

Tl;dr, don't let the Brady bunch take yer guns.
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Unread postAuthor: D_Hall » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:17 pm

mattyzip77 wrote:My dad has had his gunsmith license since 1962, as far as I knew you didnt need to be a dealer to have a seperate.licence for fully automatic weapons but I will find out.

You most certainly do. And those weapons must have been manufactured before (IIRC) 1986.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:14 pm

Zeus wrote:Don't let the US go down the same road we went down, obviously firearm restrictions won't be as tight as down here for a long time,.
Well they might not get that bad. Our laws over in NZ aren't really that bad, you can get shotguns and rifles (semi-auto in low caliber too I believe) pretty easily whereas certain "military style" firearms and pistols are more restricted. Lacking the second amendment and the U.S. constitution, it doesn't seem like anyone has a good argument to oppose these restrictions in NZ.

Come to think of it, I can't remember any significant media coverage about people in NZ who want access to more firearms; though every few years there is a stir about the whole "register the owner vs. register the firearm" thing. Since we have around a million firearms (IIRC) for our four million people, the government opted to register the owners rather than the firearms starting 20-30 years ago. In terms of politics, party stance on firearms would be way way down the list on things that influence a significant amount (>1%?) of voters.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:59 pm

jrrdw wrote:We don't need full auto weapons to protect ourselves.


We don't need to shoot potatoes at washing machines either, but it sure is fun :)

Watch this hipster come around:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY[/youtube]
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Unread postAuthor: mattyzip77 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:02 am

D_Hall wrote:
mattyzip77 wrote:My dad has had his gunsmith license since 1962, as far as I knew you didnt need to be a dealer to have a seperate.licence for fully automatic weapons but I will find out.

You most certainly do. And those weapons must have been manufactured before (IIRC) 1986.


you are correct. You need a class 3 license and must pay the special occupational tax brought into law by Mr. Bush, Not that I doubted you though.. :D
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Unread postAuthor: Crna Legija » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:32 am

D_Hall wrote: Even a plain ol' bolt action .308 would have ended that situation very quickly.


That's exactly what I was thinking of when I watched the movie about it.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:26 am

MrC, IMO the second amendment wasn't written to defend 'Murrica against those who would take their freedoms, it was written to give the people a chance against a rampant government. That's how I interpret it anyway.

Edit: Where did your post go MrC?
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:43 am

I removed it. Just for the record (for those who didn't see it), it was about the 'timelessness' of the second amendment and wasn't very confrontational or one sided, I just decided it was pointless to discuss on this forum.

edit: Yeah good point, Zeus. Hence the parts about being able to form militias by constitutional right I guess.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:45 am

Your comment was quite reasonable, and this isn't the place to discuss firearm laws, unless it crosses into laws pertaining to spud guns.
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Unread postAuthor: velocity3x » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:14 am

To fire an M2 Browning would cost about $2,000+ for 60 seconds of trigger time. Doesn't seem financially prudent to me, so not much point in owning one
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:59 am

velocity3x wrote:To fire an M2 Browning would cost about $2,000+ for 60 seconds of trigger time. Doesn't seem financially prudent to me, so not much point in owning one


If I had 85 billion dollars I would certainly own one and shoot it regularly. No actually, I would have one of these:

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Sadly, I don't have that kind of money - but who has the range over which to fire a 50 anyway? HPA BBMGs, you know they make sense!

Speaking of which... ?
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Unread postAuthor: sagthegreat » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:21 pm

oh god if JSR had one of these, i would be scared to fly over his land, i mean epoxy airburst shells gluing my planes engines, that would suck :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: PVC Arsenal 17 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:23 pm

velocity3x wrote:To fire an M2 Browning would cost about $2,000+ for 60 seconds of trigger time. Doesn't seem financially prudent to me, so not much point in owning one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QM1eTAwOYc :lol:

Really though, I think most gun owners would agree that you don't need a fully automatic weapon to go hunting or to defend your home. Short of "having fun," which is NOT an excuse worth considering, the only remaining reason to own fully automatic weapons is to potentially contend with the government.

The question should be: Is it wise to give ordinary citizens the right to own machine guns for the purpose of arming themselves against the government?

That's where the debate is. Some would argue that the Second Amendment exists specifically so people can arm themselves against the government. Then others would argue why anyone would want or feel the need to do that, because afterall, the government serves the people right?

My opinion: Nobody needs machine guns. I fully acknowledge the opposing argument but realistically, rogue government or not, a couple bands of "SHTF" loons are not going to accomplish much of anything with their full auto weapons. I have very little faith in human nature as it is, but couple that with some not-so-stable people toting M4s and I get chills.

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Unread postAuthor: velocity3x » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:01 pm

PVC Arsenal 17 wrote:Really though, I think most gun owners would agree that you don't need a fully automatic weapon to go hunting or to defend your home.

I completely agree. "One shot, One ____ " :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: D_Hall » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:33 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Sadly, I don't have that kind of money - but who has the range over which to fire a 50 anyway? HPA BBMGs, you know they make sense!


*shrug*

There is a public range not more than 10 miles from my house that USED to be used by local 50 BMG shooters for ranges up to 600 m. No more because California outlawed 50 BMG, but the range is still there and I suppose people shoot other calibers with long ranges there to this day (which means that 50 BMG could still be fired if it were legal).


PVC Arsenal 17 wrote:My opinion: Nobody needs machine guns. I fully acknowledge the opposing argument but realistically, rogue government or not, a couple bands of "SHTF" loons are not going to accomplish much of anything with their full auto weapons. I have very little faith in human nature as it is, but couple that with some not-so-stable people toting M4s and I get chills.

And a couple bands of SHTF loons *shouldn't* be able to accomplish much. That's a good thing. However, a couple thousand bands of SHTF loons *should* be able to accomplish a lot. The idea isn't that a couple idiots can overthrow the government. The idea is that the government may be overthrown by the people as a whole.

Most realistic scenario, however, would be to model any such revolt after the DC Snipers. Look what two loons did in the middle of a heavy government presence with a populace that supported the government. Now imagine what 100,000 such people could do if the (a) only targeted government agents (military, cops, etc.) and (b) the populace was against the government such that "nobody saw nuthin'." See: Afghanistan on steroids.

Still, full auto would have it's place.
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