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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue May 15, 2007 1:37 pm

goathunter wrote:There is such thing as a legal grenade launcher?


Of course there is, if you have the money ;)
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Tue May 15, 2007 10:54 pm

Yep,8 grand for an M79.Let me go grab my wallet.I think I've got $40 anybody care to chip in the rest for a good cause :D
Next on my list to build: working replica M79
just after the new BBMG :)
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue May 15, 2007 11:09 pm

goathunter wrote:Next on my list to build: working replica M79


If we combine your break-barrel design with my combustion cartridges, that would actually make a tidy little project :)
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed May 16, 2007 3:39 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:This is why I belive that it's the individuals who own the weapons should be controlled, not the weapons themselves.


How? You can never control how an individuals life turns out or what their mental state will be throughout the time they have a weapon.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed May 16, 2007 4:34 am

You can never stop people from drinking or predict in what state they´ll be in, yet you give them the license to drive purely on the basis that you trust them to respect the laws about driving under the influence. Drunk drivers probably kill more people than gun toting criminals.

Again, why should gun laws be any different?
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed May 16, 2007 4:47 am

Ask yourself which would make the world rather worse off. Total absense of vehicles or a total absense of guns.

Say it's for self defence all you want, the majority are just recreational items.

Thats why the law is different.

So you want no limits on weaponry and their responsible use should be left in the hands of the individual.

In other words, zero gun control.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed May 16, 2007 4:55 am

No, I would like problem individuals to be prevented from owning guns - personally, there would be a considerable void in my life were I not to be allowed my licensed weapons, and I would be very partial to them being taken away from me - though if I were to use them for criminal purposes, I accept that I therefore have forefeited my right to own them.
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed May 16, 2007 5:02 am

Theres nothing to stop someone before they decide to abuse the rights of others with weaponry and become a criminal.

By that point it's already too late. Thats why I am in favour of particularly anti-personel or otherwise dangerous weaponry being unavailable to start with.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed May 16, 2007 5:08 am

Look at it objectively - how happy would you be if the police came and confiscated Copperhead Prime on the basis that they couldn't be sure whether you were going to shoot someone or not?

And once they did that, would you feel confident that you could walk in the street safe in the knowledge that no one else had a gun to threaten you with - as in, you might have sacrificed your hobby, but it was worthwhile?
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Unread postAuthor: joannaardway » Wed May 16, 2007 5:30 am

Personally, I would love to have various firearms for recreational use, but I'm more than prepared to give that up to prevent the "less safe" having firearms, so much so that I will argue against people being given guns.

It's interesting how, at least here, UK citizens largely favour the ban, whereas US citizens largely oppose them. I wonder why.

If there is no outright ban, then problem individuals have to be banned from guns.
Also, given that you can't tell that someone is dangerous in advance of them being given a gun, then you need to avoid giving anyone the most dangerous guns - this including full-auto weapons, exceptionally high powered weapons, and anything shooting flaming or explosive rounds.

How many real civillian uses of rapid fire arms, grenade launchers or anti-material rifles are there?

People do not need to grenade the gophers in the garden, shoot through their neighbour's car, or turn their shed into a sieve (they've got shotguns for that).
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed May 16, 2007 5:35 am

They probably will if I'm ever careless enough with it.

I haven't ever said I'm totally happy with whats already there but I am comfortable the UK doesn't have the kind of weaponry fixation as in the US.

Self defence isn't an excuse to carry offensive devices here, hasn't been since 1946 and I'm fine with that. I never made my cannon as a weapon or intend to use it as such.

I've more chance of becoming a millionaire than ever being threatened with a gun in the UK unless I start living in Peckham, London and hung around certain places in the evening.

You don't like the idea of gun control because you own and enjoy the ones you have for recreation.

Thats taking it personally, I'm talking about restricting weapons so that its less damaging when someone does inevitably cut loose with one.
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Unread postAuthor: From_Hamsterdam » Wed May 16, 2007 5:52 am

or turn their shed into a sieve (they've got shotguns for that)

Excellent now I just need a shot gun and I can cook this 3 tons of pasta I accidentally brought. Oh, and a 2m high pot. :D

I also don’t think guns with high mag capacities (semi or manual) should be aloud. If you need more then 20 shots to kill a roo you should rethink your hobby.

Also should hand guns be supplied with plastic or rubber bullets as a less lethal alternative? If I had to shoot some one in self defence I don’t want them to die, that would screw me up mentally.
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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Wed May 16, 2007 5:58 am

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Whether they use guns or not, people kill others. And Im not sure whether this is true, but doesnt Britian have an abnormal number of illegal firearms, smuggled in? And most violant crimes do not use "dangerous" guns. I cant seem to recall the last crime in which the criminal walked off toting an M16 or similar assault rifle. Criminals will use whatever is available to them and by taking away guns you only push them farther into a corner to aquire illegal and in most cases, hige ROF and high capacity guns. So as a gun owner, I am not saying the gun rrestriction is baad or good, it is out of my control so why worry about it?, but a hammer is a tool until it is used to beat someone's head in and then its a weapon. Same thing with guns, they are expensive recreration toys till someone uses them for something else.

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed May 16, 2007 6:01 am

joannaardway wrote:People do not need to grenade the gophers in the garden, shoot through their neighbour's car, or turn their shed into a sieve (they've got shotguns for that).


My point is that there are lots of things out there that are dangerous which people don't need - but if you had to go around banning them, where would the fun in life go?

Life is fatal, guns or no guns, cigarettes or no cigarettes, we're all going to die. People don't need to go bungee jumping, but some people would prefer to have actually lived before they pass away.

The number of people killed in mass-shootings is, statistically, negligible. The number of people killed by airguns in the UK every year can be counted on one hand, yet everytime there's an incident there's an immediate media frenzy and calls for an outright ban - what about the many thousands who enjoy their hobby and indeed whose livelyhood depends on the sport?

You don't like the idea of gun control because you own and enjoy the ones you have for recreation.


Of course - wouldn't you be annoyed if someone attacked your legitimate hobby? I know I'm not a threat to scoiety, I don't lose any sleep worrying that I've made the world a more dangerous place.

If I had to shoot some one in self defence I don’t want them to die, that would screw me up mentally.


If they didn't, it would probably screw you up legally. Decisions, decisions... :D
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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Wed May 16, 2007 6:31 am

And you are rather hypocritical, you build weapons, yes a potatoe gun is a weapon and at the same time you say that real guns should be restricted. If someone were to say to you that since a spudgun may be used in a crime, I know it sounds silly, and that it will need to be confiskated, how would that make you feel?
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