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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:42 pm

Grammar is useless, everyone learn how to change lead into gold! Its more usefull!
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Unread postAuthor: cash68 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:45 pm

My heated discussions about grammar? Really? Well I guess I'll just point out that a certain immature poster here has been calling me names for the last few pages. Maybe I should report all his posts.... nah, I'm above that. :roll:

Ok for the record what I said about foreign cars was in a sarcastic tone, I am a fan of Europeon cars however I do not like Asian cars for the simple reason that they are killing the American car market. For that I do not like them, but I admit that they are well made and last a long time. Nevertheless, I drive a good ole American made Chevy Camaro, made in 1995 and has roughly 60 grand miles on it. It runs amazing and can most likely beat any import car stock. So theres my two cents on the argument. Personally I think that the driver makes the car and if the driver sucks well then the car really cant help.


1. There's a reason they're killing American car companies: THEY ARE BETTER. I am all for the domestics returning to the top of the heap, but unfortunately that is NOT going to happen unless something drastic happens to the auto unions. In general, honda pays less per hour to run their factories by a pretty significant margin than Ford. Why? Honda doesn't allow auto unions, and somehow, someway, they keep their employees happy. Ford,GM, and Chrysler, on the other hand, were happy to screw over their employees, which made auto unions necessary, and the unions have now gone too far, wanting TOO MANY benifits, pension plans, retirement, etc. Now, the domestic manufacturers just CANNOT compete with other companies, because they're paying out the ass for labor. There is only ONE way to change this, and it is NOT buy purchasing american made vehicles. It's by letting them go down the crapper. Once things are all the way in the crapper, that is the ONLY time massive change is possible. GM is 'starting' to turn around for the better, but they still have a LONG way to go before they're at the level of a lot of imports. Cadillac is the only domestic brand that actually bothers with really nice interiors, the rest of GM's lineup was plastic garbage.

2. Sixty thousand miles is not very impressive. At all. In fact, that's really really low mileage for a 1995 car. Keep the miles off it, and it'll be a collector car eventually.

3. Unless your car is a Z28 SS, it's really not all that fast. A lot of imports will smoke it in a straight line, and around corners, all while getting better MPG and having a higher resale value.

4. If the 'driver makes the car', as you say, how do you explain the 3x higher deathrate in trucks/suvs? Are truck/suv drivers generally retards?

I like European cars also, but ah! Thats it. Import cars, in general, are BORING. Like, in appearance and speed. You have only given an example of a car with considerable speed.


There are many japanese cars that are very fast. In terms of older models, Supras, RX7s, SVXs (like mine) 3000GTs, Skylines, 300zxs, NSXs, Integras, Eclipses, Sentra SE-Rs, TSI Conquests, etc. Modern versions: 350Z, STi, EVO, Eclipses, Sentra SERs, G35s, Mazdaspeed Miatas, 6s, and 3s, RX8s, etc. There are many, MANY japanese cars that can do the quarter mile in under 15 seconds (some much more), and are pretty affordable. I don't find any of these boring looking:


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The toyata corrolla for example, very slow and ugly and boring.


So is the Chevy Cavalier, the Dodge Neon(2000+ anyway, 95-99s were pretty fast), and the Ford Focus. You are picking the smallest, lamest car from the most boring japanese company. I personally hate toyota. All their designs are boring to me, with the exception of a few older celicas and supras, but right now, nothing they produce is remotely interesting to me.

Generally, I think that more japanese cars are on the road than 80's american cars is because of the tuner mentality.


Or it's because they're more reliable. Did you ever have a 1980s domestic? They were all pretty much crap.

and their sudden popularity and the low cost of an 80's or 90's honda or whatever is what has driven them to get them because they are "cool". Personally, I don't think they are cool unless they have gotten a body kit, and look totally awesome. And, that they aren't a ricer.


News for you: Bodykits are rice. They increase drag, and increase weight. Secondly, older imports are MORE EXPENSIVE than older domestics, so your argument doesn't hold water.

EDIT: Oops, that was a little oddly worded. A clearer version. An older honda was more affordable, to they grabbed that instead of a new one, and grabbed it because it was cooler than an 80's american econobox.


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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:48 pm

Well it is a Z28 but nevertheless, I hear your arguement and its sad to watch American compnays shoot themselves in the foot. I am a merhcant mariner and the American unions are killing that industry the same way which is why you see less and less American flag vessals and more and more foreigne vessals. It just boils down to that they are cheaper to operarte.
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Unread postAuthor: cash68 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:51 pm

ShowNoMercy wrote:Well it is a Z28 but nevertheless, I hear your arguement and its sad to watch American compnays shoot themselves in the foot. I am a merhcant mariner and the American unions are killing that industry the same way which is why you see less and less American flag vessals and more and more foreigne vessals. It just boils down to that they are cheaper to operarte.


Yeah, it is sad, but I feel the ONLY time they'll actually change is when they hit rock bottom. Buying something just because it's American, even when it's an inferior product, is only prolonging the inevitable.
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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:55 pm

Well I think that rather than buy American cars people should become more active in telling the government how they feel and perhaps get stricter tarriffs placed and maybe the federal government placing regulations on car compnaies to make sure unions dont reuin them again. Ahh the ups and downs of capitailism....
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Unread postAuthor: cash68 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:00 pm

ShowNoMercy wrote:Well I think that rather than buy American cars people should become more active in telling the government how they feel and perhaps get stricter tarriffs placed and maybe the federal government placing regulations on car compnaies to make sure unions dont reuin them again. Ahh the ups and downs of capitailism....


The government? How the hell would they help. They're the most inefficient thing we have! No no, I think capitalism will take care of this just fine. When GM was really in the crapper, they realized it, fired a bunch of crusty old men, and started hiring fresh designers. Now, their stuff looks the best it has in a decade or two, and even though they have a long way to go, they're definitely headed in the right direction.
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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:02 pm

Well considering our government rebuilt the Japenese economy after they destroyed it I would say that with the proper consultants they could come up with some sort of plan to assist the re emergance of American dominance in the car market. I think that if GM etc were to get ahead of the game on the new wave of car propulsion they could ride that wave as the Japanese did with the oil crisis during the 80's.
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:32 pm

I'm getting sick of you, you little piece of crap. You've been calling me names for pages now, and you've said you were 'done' about 50 times. fork off and go away.

First off, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE FORUM, so quit pretending like you're the forum spokes person. You might not like me, but I'm sure there are some people who don't like arrogant little 15 yr olds who haven't even driven a car or touched a boob, yet act like they know eveyrthing in the world. How many engines have you rebuilt? How many suspensions have you worked on? How many brakejobs have you done? How many times have you changed oil? There is a TON of things you don't know, and I'm sick of your stupid little ass pretending like you're god's gift to the world. IF YOU SHOWED UP with facts to back up your opinions, I'd have more respect for you, but instead all you've done is disagree, name-call, and break your word again and again.


Now this is getting good.
Alright,as a person who has done ALL of the things you've stated in the first paragraph and did it by age 14.I have to say the only person acting arrogant and immature is in fact yourself, Cash.
I do understand that I am not spudblaster.Heck,I'm junior to him on this forum as is yourself.He has as much presence and weight on this forum as any member,regardless his age.Get over it.You are the new guy and quite frankly a lot of people find you very pissy.The sooner you realize that the world does not exist for you the better off you will be.So quit pissing people off and finally realize that not everyone shares your views nor will they ever.
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Unread postAuthor: ammosmoke » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:25 pm

Well, you have just picked all of my fav japanese cars..... Except the celicas and sentras and tsi's and svx's and etc. That is all I can think of that i like. The rest, aw crap. You know what, you just made me realize something. I dislike most cars. Japanese or not. I don't like most japanese generics and "family" cars. I hate it when they make sad attempts at trucks such as the ridgeline, rav4 etc. Although, the new tundra looks very good. I don't like most trucks, most fords, most chevs, and dislike many dodges. I am very picky. I don't like most japanese sedans, but i have respect for most of the ones you have labeled. Interesting. Oh yeah, and good bodykits do improve aerodynamics. Bad ones, make it well, bad. Most of the japanese cars you just see around, don't look that good in my opinion. But then again, same with american cars. Not so much with european. There just is more japanese, so more to not like. :D Idk, maybe you just made me so mad, that I didn't realize this.

EDIT: Hear that? PISSED OFF!! Do you live to do that!!!! If you hadn't pissed us all off MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE AGREED MORE!!!!!!!!!
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Unread postAuthor: cash68 » Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:28 pm

ammosmoke wrote:Well, you have just picked all of my fav japanese cars..... Except the celicas and sentras and tsi's and svx's and etc. That is all I can think of that i like. The rest, aw crap. You know what, you just made me realize something. I dislike most cars. Japanese or not. I don't like most japanese generics and "family" cars. I hate it when they make sad attempts at trucks such as the ridgeline, rav4 etc. Although, the new tundra looks very good. I don't like most trucks, most fords, most chevs, and dislike many dodges. I am very picky. I don't like most japanese sedans, but i have respect for most of the ones you have labeled. Interesting. Oh yeah, and good bodykits do improve aerodynamics. Bad ones, make it well, bad. Most of the japanese cars you just see around, don't look that good in my opinion. But then again, same with american cars. Not so much with european. There just is more japanese, so more to not like. :D Idk, maybe you just made me so mad, that I didn't realize this.


I dislike most cars also. I love nice ones though, of all brands. I like ford contour SVTs, dodge neon ACRs, SRT4s, anything fast really. I hate boring vehicles, which is unfortunately, most of what's on the road.

PS: Get a ride in an SVX if you can. It's not the fastest thing on the road, but it is a lot of fun, extremely well built, and gets a lot of looks.

PPS: Any bodykit with extra vents will create more drag. I've never seen one that was honestly designed to improve performance, unless it was on an actual racing car, and not available to the public.
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Unread postAuthor: rednecktatertosser » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:16 am

hey cash guess what, i actually am pretty damn observant with my car, obervant enough to know when the valve rockers need to be replaced cause the valves clicking. and also my auto shop teacher has a 1984 chevy suburban 2500 with over 300,000 miles on the engine and transmission and its stil running fine. and the era of jimmy i have has been known to go into the 300,000 to 400,000 mile range when properly cared for. also aluminum engineblocks dont respond well to the heat down here in texas. also i would hate to drive any asian car. they really arent that great. and your one point that i accept is that the charger was good and the hemi is a fast engine. i guess what i meant to say was that the new dodge blows.

after that little rant i have to agree with turbo hacker, eventhough thats a little <sarcasm, hypocrytical.

edit- no cash, you worthless piece of crap, truck/suv owners are not generally retards, people that have extra chromasomes are generally retards, does that clear things up for you?
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:23 am

One more comment from either of you that is off-topic in this thread you will be reported to PCGUY. I know cash your on thin ice and SB15 im sure a posting ban wont go down well with you. I don't want either of those things to happen so guys just cool it down. I know cash you like to argue with everything and SB you have to reply and stand your ground. But I don't want to lock this topic and im sick of deleting your posts so just drop it now.
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Unread postAuthor: ShowNoMercy » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:31 am

I thik that if everyone were to go out and buy a big wheel and use that rather than a car we would have less deaths related to car accidents. Hows that idea for you? :lol:
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Unread postAuthor: mark.f » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:56 am

Alrighty then, MrCrowley, back on topic.

For gas mileage, biggest thing to remember is to get a four-cylinder. It depends on where you live, but if you're not planning on hauling anything too heavy, (think more than a trailer with a four-wheeler or two and some gas), or going mud-riding where you'll get stuck, a four-cyl will go the job nicely. Also I'd suggest a manual transmission. If you get a Ranger, (like I suggested earlier in this thread), I'd go with a manual transmission, as most Rangers' atuo-trannies have a tendency to last much shorter than the manuals, if their driven right. No dropping gears to slow down. :roll: Follow a normal and easy shift pattern, (I shift around 15, 25, 35, and 45 on flat ground with mine), and just keep track of the gears and it'll last, trust me.
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:14 am

Well,I found a 1990 jeep cherokee for $1000 and it is is good condition.I thought it'd be a piece of junk for that price but apparently the guy is in a hurry to sell it.He replaced the engine 3 years ago and everything else has been either replaced or specs out.He has receipts and reports on it all.I think I'm getting a half way decent deal.I'll be going to see it in a few days and hopefully buy it if it is worth it.
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