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Unread postAuthor: Marco321 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:28 am

Hey
I live in Australia and i am very keen to get into paint ball shooting. I am interested to play casually and maybe get into tournaments and stuff like that. I'm looking for advice to which paint ball gun would be best for a beginner.
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Unread postAuthor: FreakyShotGlass » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:32 am

You do realise that in Australia you will need to get a Cat. A Firearms License in order to purchase a paintball gun. If you are under 18 then this is impossible. You will also need a gun safe to keep the gun in.
Man our country's laws suck.
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Unread postAuthor: Marco321 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:37 am

Hey
Yeah i hate the laws here
I know all that, but they normally let you keep it at the range, well they do at my rifle range.
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Unread postAuthor: Orpackrat » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:22 am

Are you looking for woodsball or speedball? If woodsball, get a Tippmann 98 Custom, the AK-47 of Woodsball markers. If speedball, I have no idea.
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Unread postAuthor: Marco321 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:44 am

ok thanks, iv actually been looking at the Tippman 98 Custom Pro. Thanks
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Unread postAuthor: f.c » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:02 am

well for woodball you cant go wrong with a tipman. but for speedball youll need something with a higher r.o.f.
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Unread postAuthor: frankrede » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:07 am

Why not get a X-7?
The best paintball gun around!
Literally a ak-47, or a m-16, or a mp-5!
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Unread postAuthor: Marco321 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:16 am

I haven't seen that one before, it looks nice.

I'm also planning on putting my 1x dot scope onto my gun

One more question, is HPA or CO2 better for paintball? i have heard the CO2 is bad for the gun and is more expensive, but i see the HPA tanks cost more.
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Unread postAuthor: frankrede » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:27 am

HPA in my opinion.The tanks cost more, but last longer and are more consistent.
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Unread postAuthor: Marco321 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:34 am

OK thanks for the help everyone
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Unread postAuthor: Orpackrat » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:59 am

Marco321 wrote:I haven't seen that one before, it looks nice.

I'm also planning on putting my 1x dot scope onto my gun

One more question, is HPA or CO2 better for paintball? i have heard the CO2 is bad for the gun and is more expensive, but i see the HPA tanks cost more.


HPA is better but Co2 has its advantages. HPA tanks are very expensive compared to Co2 tanks, a $220 114 CI HPA tank will get you 1700 shots and a $30 20oz Co2 tank can get about 1100 shots.

Check out this site, it should answer most of your questions:

http://www.ottersccustoms.com/air.html

I personally have used nothing but Co2 in a Tippmann 98 Custom since 2002 without any real problems. The worst thing that happened to me using Co2 was at a night game where it was very cold out. On my gun I use an expansion chamber to help the Co2 expand and give more consistant shots. Durring rapid fire, my barrel and front of my gun began to ice over, nothing serious, gun still performed perfectly just got a little cold from all the Co2 going through. These days I use a remote on my gun along with the expansion chamber and leave my tank sitting up-right on a camel pack. No real problems.

There is really no reason to put a scope on a paintball gun except for looks, by the time you put someone in your sights, your dead.

When Liquid Co2 enters the gun, upon firing it looks like snow is coming out of the gun. People say its bad and destroys O-rings but I have never had to replace a O-ring yet and they are all in excellent condition even though I shot alot of liquid Co2 though my 98 Custom. (Probably due to the fact that I excessivly oil all moving parts, and pour oil into the air lines before playing).

If you have any questions, I have alot of experiance with Tippmann 98 Customs and would be glad to help out.
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Unread postAuthor: Marco321 » Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:43 am

Thanks Orpackrat, thats helped me out alot

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Unread postAuthor: NoXi » Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:10 am

Orpackrat wrote:
Marco321 wrote:I haven't seen that one before, it looks nice.

I'm also planning on putting my 1x dot scope onto my gun

One more question, is HPA or CO2 better for paintball? i have heard the CO2 is bad for the gun and is more expensive, but i see the HPA tanks cost more.


HPA is better but Co2 has its advantages. HPA tanks are very expensive compared to Co2 tanks, a $220 114 CI HPA tank will get you 1700 shots and a $30 20oz Co2 tank can get about 1100 shots.

Check out this site, it should answer most of your questions:

http://www.ottersccustoms.com/air.html

I personally have used nothing but Co2 in a Tippmann 98 Custom since 2002 without any real problems. The worst thing that happened to me using Co2 was at a night game where it was very cold out. On my gun I use an expansion chamber to help the Co2 expand and give more consistant shots. Durring rapid fire, my barrel and front of my gun began to ice over, nothing serious, gun still performed perfectly just got a little cold from all the Co2 going through. These days I use a remote on my gun along with the expansion chamber and leave my tank sitting up-right on a camel pack. No real problems.

There is really no reason to put a scope on a paintball gun except for looks, by the time you put someone in your sights, your dead.

When Liquid Co2 enters the gun, upon firing it looks like snow is coming out of the gun. People say its bad and destroys O-rings but I have never had to replace a O-ring yet and they are all in excellent condition even though I shot alot of liquid Co2 though my 98 Custom. (Probably due to the fact that I excessivly oil all moving parts, and pour oil into the air lines before playing).

If you have any questions, I have alot of experiance with Tippmann 98 Customs and would be glad to help out.


the how many shots you get per tank really depends on your gun. For example, for high end guns, if you get a new bolt, regulator, etc., you will get a higher shots per tank. IT also depends on the tank size. 114ci tanks are really big and can probably last you a lot time, but since you are getting a tippmann, you might as well jus buy c02 and later get a hpa tank. If you are going to play tournaments, you should later end up buying an ion or a vs2 and if you get serious, look at higher end guns like $400 and up.
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Unread postAuthor: Orpackrat » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:18 pm

NoXi wrote:the how many shots you get per tank really depends on your gun. For example, for high end guns, if you get a new bolt, regulator, etc., you will get a higher shots per tank. IT also depends on the tank size. 114ci tanks are really big and can probably last you a lot time, but since you are getting a tippmann, you might as well just buy c02 and later get a hpa tank. If you are going to play tournaments, you should later end up buying an ion or a vs2 and if you get serious, look at higher end guns like $400 and up.


True, it is just an estimate, my gun I probably get much less because of a the mods I have on it. Its a gas hog. You could get a new bolt or regulator to increase efficiency but I would rather get a larger tank. I upgraded my Co2 tank rather than the bolt and other parts to a massive 48oz tank it gets me between 2200-2400 shots. The tank can also be used on multiple guns instead of just some upgrades to one.


Speedball is something I am unfamiliar with, but from what I understand, most of the guns require HPA because they can't handle Co2. Speedball is fairly expensive compared to woodsball.


What area are you planning on playing in, woodsball or speedball or possibly a bit of both?

A 98 Custom is alright for speedball but it has some disadvantages because its a woods ball gun. One of the first things on a 98 Custom that is upgraded is the barrel. Even with a stock barrel the 98 Custom is long and it takes a little more time to swing the barrel to the target. It is a single finger semi-automatic (can be changed to double finger though). It has a rate of fire about 12 BPS but I have not seen anyone yet that can do it that fast manually. Electronic triggers are available for the 98 Customs but I really don't like them because water and them don't usually mix very well. An alternative is air-assisted firing with a response trigger (cheaper than the electronic trigger), it uses excess Co2 to operate a piston that pushes the trigger forward, resetting the sear and making firing faster. You need to learn to use a response trigger though, it is very easy to do 2 and 3 round burst and if you hold the trigger correctly it feel like full auto. I don't know if the response is allowed in tournaments. Electronic hoppers are alright but can get expensive, speedball guns have high rates of fire and need hoppers that can match the speeds. 98 Customs can be equipped with high speed feed systems that are excellent in my opinion, the Cyclone Feed, it uses excesses gas from firing (like the response) that fires a piston that turns a gear. That gear turns paddles that cradle the paintballs and feed them into the chamber after each shot, it will feed as fast as you fire. With a cyclone feed you need to replace the working as they are consumables (wear from firing). One way to permanently fix the problem to to get a lightning rod and a vortex ratchet (aluminum parts instead of plastic).

It is much easier to recommend guns and upgrades to know exactly what area you plan on playing in, Woodsball, Speedball, or a little of both.
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Unread postAuthor: NoXi » Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:30 pm

if you are going to play speedball, you should buy a spyder. Any electronic spyder is pretty nice. If you cant afford that, you can buy a mechanical one. Tippmanns are nice for woodsball but is kind of hard to play with in speedball. If you plan on playing speedball, i would try and find a spyder imagine or pilot on ebay. They sell for pretty cheap and you can get nice packages. And orpackrat, you are right about speedball. Most or all of the higher end guns cannot take c02 since the c02 can freeze up the insides of the gun.
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