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Safe Sch40 Operation Below Freezing?

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Safe Sch40 Operation Below Freezing?

Unread postAuthor: xequa » Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:58 am

Hey folks, here's a Minnesota question for you. Today It's gonna be a high of 22 degrees. If I were to operate my spudgun today, would I be in danger? Are there safe operating temperatures for sch 40 PVC?

Thanks!
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Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:13 pm

Wow, there totally haven't been like 3 or 4 topics just like this recently.

For pneumatics, keep them inside until they're charged and loaded, and don't keep them outside for too long. Don't subject them to any unnecessary shock.

You should let the pvc warm up inside if it starts to get too cold.

Combustions shouldn't have any major problems, as they tend to keep themselves warm and don't fail catastrophically like pneumatics.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:28 pm

http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/putting ... 11893.html

We do have a wonderful search tool on this website, and with almost 10,000 topics, i'm sure you could put it to some use.

Please search before posting in the future.
We have covered this topic many times.

BTW In that link, I made a post with a few more links, just scroll down the page.
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Thank you

Unread postAuthor: xequa » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:06 am

I appreciate your candor... I will join you:

I think that the residents of this web site who are bursting with pride over the vastness of its search engine should spend less time shaming people for not using it and more time on refining it and making it more robust, making it more effective.

Because there are so many redundant posts despite your respectable effort to prominently display your search engine, don't you think it would be better to reduce them through better organized search results? Isn't it tiring to spend so much of your time scolding others for not using it? Don't you wonder why? It's not because people are lazy--it's far easier to type what you want in a box and get the answer right then rather than register, post, and wait for responses.

Considering no topic about this hobby is really new, I encourage those among you with the gift of organization to apply it to your forums. "Combustion Discussion" is entirely too broad. "How-To Database" is all-encompassing! This entire hobby is the fun it is largely because it's do-it-yourself. The forums should be organized General-to-specific. Nested trees. Make it easier to find answers--this encourages *educated* discussion.

As welcome as you think you make new users feel, I believe you throw it to the wind with your underlying contempt for those obviously not enlightened enough to use your search engine. There are better ways to influence people to do as you wish.[/b]
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Re: Thank you

Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:19 am

xequa wrote:spend less time shaming people


Well first of all, you're not a regular and you have no idea what goes on here, we got a topic exactly like this 2days ago. I helped you out, I linked you to the topic, which includes your answer, and more topics with more answers on this topic. You should be thankful I spent some of my time to help you.

xequa wrote:Because there are so many redundant posts despite your respectable effort to prominently display your search engine, don't you think it would be better to reduce them through better organized search results? Isn't it tiring to spend so much of your time scolding others for not using it? Don't you wonder why? It's not because people are lazy--it's far easier to type what you want in a box and get the answer right then rather than register, post, and wait for responses.


Hmm strange it seems to work perfectly for every member who spends more then a week here :? Must be some strange mental thing.

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There are over 9800 topics on this website, it's simply not in our best minds to go through each topic and delete every redundant post, how is that even logical when people don't even bother to search for the topics in the first place?

xequa wrote:Considering no topic about this hobby is really new, I encourage those among you with the gift of organization to apply it to your forums. "Combustion Discussion" is entirely too broad. "How-To Database" is all-encompassing! This entire hobby is the fun it is largely because it's do-it-yourself. The forums should be organized General-to-specific. Nested trees. Make it easier to find answers--this encourages *educated* discussion.


Are you saying there is no advancements in this hobby? Well you obviosuly haven't searched, with members like JSR coming up with new semi-auto designs each week, I'd think we're more then advancing this hobby.

We already have too many forum sections as it is, combustion discussion is perfectly fine for the amount of members we have, if we were some warez forum with 400,000 plus members, then we would have more sections.

It is easy to find answers, just use your head and common sense and you can find anything on this site, it works for everyone else.
When searching for ignition tips, obviously you don't search 'ignition', you need to make your keyword more specific, not our forum. Once again we can't simply clean up every topic.

xequa wrote:As welcome as you think you make new users feel, I believe you throw it to the wind with your underlying contempt for those obviously not enlightened enough to use your search engine. There are better ways to influence people to do as you wish.[/b]


I also have to say, most regular's here, were new members when I was around, they all seemed to stick around? I'm sure i've flamed a few of them in the past.

Ok, give me one good reason why you didn't bother to search before posting? Too lazy? I bet it was, by searching the most broad keyword of 'cold', looking for answers to this topic, I found 3 topics straight away.

What was so hard so that you couldn't even search a four letter word?
If I narrowed it down, I have a risk of the search engine over-looking a few topics, but I'd filter out more unrelated topics, using the most broad keyword, gave me heavily mixed results, but I still got three results straight away in less then a minute.

I would also like to add, in no way did I 'shame' you, I said it to you in a polite and nice way, and still answered your question. I was just helping you out, I could've come and flamed the hell out of you, deleted the topic and sent you an abusive reply, but I didn't, I was nice about it.
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Unread postAuthor: spudgunnerwryyyyy » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:27 am

Yeah Go Mr. Crowley, but i do agree the spudfiles search aint the best
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:32 am

Yeah I can admit that, but I don't see how you can make it better except for editing every single topic to have some relevance to another one like it.
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Unread postAuthor: xequa » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:26 pm

Hey Crowley, I don't take your efforts to correct me personally. I agree with you--I did pull the lazy card and not search for cold weather topics prior to posting. I'm guilty as charged.

I also agree that your response in correcting me was kind, professional, and helpful. My sentiment arises from the recent, vigorous reading of these forums I have been doing. I feel there's a contagious mood when it comes to scolding folks about not searching before posting: it's generally blithe and pompous. I don't mean to single any person out--but it leaves a bitter taste in a reader's mind to see someone spoken to rudely, ya know?

In any case, I have a suggestion for improving the search engine. Create support for tags. Your text search is fast and immense, but it's too immense. If you could have future posters label their posts with a set of pre-crafted tags (or be daring and let the poster provide their own), I think you would relieve that obligation from the moderators and still end up with a more effective query result.

You could even have readers choose tags to assign to archived posts to make the query results more robust. When users crawl through to find answers, like I should have for this topic, they could check a few tags on a side bar to help categorize the topic. The tag routine could keep the top n most frequently selected to keep the DB to a more managable size.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:33 pm

xequa wrote:In any case, I have a suggestion for improving the search engine. Create support for tags. Your text search is fast and immense, but it's too immense. If you could have future posters label their posts with a set of pre-crafted tags (or be daring and let the poster provide their own), I think you would relieve that obligation from the moderators and still end up with a more effective query result.


Hmm yes I know what you mean. I've been on a few forums that tag topics, the only problem I can see is new members not tagging, but I guess that means me and the other mods will just edit the post. But then again we can't tag every topic, and we're trying to stop repeating topics like this one.

So that would either mean, tag every new topic and every old topic.
Just tag every new topic.
Tag every new topic but allow new members to post repeated topics that have already been posted many times so we don't have to tag old ones.

Thanks it will go into consideration.

xequa wrote:You could even have readers choose tags to assign to archived posts to make the query results more robust. When users crawl through to find answers, like I should have for this topic, they could check a few tags on a side bar to help categorize the topic. The tag routine could keep the top n most frequently selected to keep the DB to a more managable size.


If this forum had been moderated extensivily from the start, we may have a cleaner DB, but again we would have the problem of old topics.

We do have a few ideas floating around, one of which is a forum section where any member can ask any spud related question, no matter how many times it has been answered. That leaves our members to help them out, or not post at all. So no flaming will be involved, it also may incourage the new members to search.


Thanks, what you have said will go into consideration.
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