Login    Register
User Information
Username:
Password:
We are a free and open
community, all are welcome.
Click here to Register
Sponsored
Who is online

In total there are 86 users online :: 4 registered, 0 hidden and 82 guests


Most users ever online was 155 on Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:40 am

Registered users: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Yahoo [Bot] based on users active over the past 5 minutes

The Team
Administrators
Global Moderators
global_moderators.png CS

Paintball kills man (Maybe)

Post questions and info about pneumatic (compressed gas) powered cannons here. This includes discussion about valves, pipe types, compressors, alternate gas setups, and anything else relevant.
Sponsored 
  • Author
    Message

Unread postAuthor: paaiyan » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:56 pm

battlemonkey wrote:Or being shot point blanck to the neck/throat


I've taken them in the throat from close range, I know other people who have taken them in the throat from close range. We're still alive.
  • 0

"Who ever said the pen was mightier than the sword, obviously, never encountered automatic weapons."
-General Douglass MacArthur

Read my dog's blog - Life of Kilo
User avatar
paaiyan
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2140
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:03 pm
Location: Central Oklahoma
Country: United States (us)
Reputation: 1

Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:00 pm

paaiyan wrote:
battlemonkey wrote:Or being shot point blanck to the neck/throat


I've taken them in the throat from close range, I know other people who have taken them in the throat from close range. We're still alive.


the key words are point blank not close range :wink: although you could probably still survive, it will vary from person to person.
  • 0

User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: battlemonkey » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:00 pm

oh, i thought that it might cause your wind pipe to swell and make you choke like getting stung by a bee on the neck
  • 0

User avatar
battlemonkey
Sergeant First Class
Sergeant First Class
 
Posts: 137
Joined: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:42 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: paaiyan » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:02 pm

Gettign stung by a bee on the neck isn't a death sentence. It is if you're allergic to bees, but that's anaphalactic shock, not blunt force trauma.
  • 0

"Who ever said the pen was mightier than the sword, obviously, never encountered automatic weapons."
-General Douglass MacArthur

Read my dog's blog - Life of Kilo
User avatar
paaiyan
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2140
Joined: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:03 pm
Location: Central Oklahoma
Country: United States (us)
Reputation: 1

Unread postAuthor: DYI » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:07 pm

I think that, at completely point blank range, a 300 fps paintball that hit directly on the larynx could probably cause death by suffocation by breaking the small bone inside, but I don't know if that is actually possible.

And like paaiyan said, unless your body has an extreme allergy (anaphylaxis) to bee stings (formic acid I believe), a single one won't kill you.
  • 0

Spudfiles' resident expert on all things that sail through the air at improbable speeds, trailing an incandescent wake of ionized air, dissociated polymers and metal oxides.
User avatar
DYI
Lieutenant General
Lieutenant General
 
Posts: 2861
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:18 pm
Location: The People's Republic of Canuckistan
Country: Turks and Caicos Islands (tc)
Reputation: 9

Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:38 pm

@Sparkey: Things are supposed to be limited to 300 fps, but we all know there are people who chrony, then just crank their markers back up to maximum power as soon as they're in battle.

As for the rest of it, it's media sensationalism. If he'd been for a jog, and suffered a heart attack from that physical exercise, we would have heard nothing.
It just so happens that the physical exercise this man did was paintball, so that's the only reason we're hearing about it. It's the flimsiest of links, a bit like a claim that I died in a gunfight two weeks ago (link here) because someone sneezed on me in that gunfight and I died of a cold.
It's of course preposterous. I was shot 217 times, was forced to rapidly regrow my left arm and had to throttle the last gang member until he was unconscious, but I did not die in that fight or from a subsequent cold, regardless of what the media says.

I don't think any properly chronoed marker will kill. There are cases of people having been killed by punches, and in some cases, central nervous system overload without the skin even having been breached, but those are instant, and require much larger impacts than the wimpy 0.3 Ns of momentum of a paintball.
A PB marker is about 10 ft-lbs, which is far too low to cause any real damage in a projectile that size and hardness.

Also, people need to learn the meaning of point blank. Point blank is the maximum range at which your weapon will still make a hit on the vital area of a target without adjusting the elevation. Some old cannons had point blank ranges of around a kilometre. Wiki
What you mean when you say point blank is "extreme close range".

I think that largely sums up what's happened and what could.
  • 0

Does that thing kinda look like a big cat to you?
User avatar
Ragnarok
Chief of Staff
Chief of Staff
 
Posts: 5339
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:23 am
Location: The UK
Reputation: 8

Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:42 pm

^its not hard to kill someone by punching them, you just have to know where 8)
  • 0

User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK
Reputation: 0

Sponsored

Sponsor
 


Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:11 pm

Of course I know where.
I also know how to nearly untraceably cause someone to slowly naturally suffocate over the course of about half an hour while you run off to establish an alibi - but I'm not telling you how to do that.
  • 0

Does that thing kinda look like a big cat to you?
User avatar
Ragnarok
Chief of Staff
Chief of Staff
 
Posts: 5339
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:23 am
Location: The UK
Reputation: 8

Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:25 pm

Ragnarok wrote:Of course I know where.
I also know how to nearly untraceably cause someone to slowly naturally suffocate over the course of about half an hour while you run off to establish an alibi - but I'm not telling you how to do that.


that could be useful, although i presume the 'victim' woul dknow they were being suffocated? the only way i can think of doing it would be with carbon monoxide but i don't know how long that would take to suffocate someone in the way you described
  • 0

User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:31 pm

ALIHISGREAT wrote:Although i presume the 'victim' woul dknow they were being suffocated?

No, the method has them completely unconscious within seconds, then they just slowly suffocate in their sleep. It actually requires no equipment whatsoever, but I've probably already said too much, so I'll stop.
  • 0

Does that thing kinda look like a big cat to you?
User avatar
Ragnarok
Chief of Staff
Chief of Staff
 
Posts: 5339
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:23 am
Location: The UK
Reputation: 8

Unread postAuthor: ALIHISGREAT » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:35 pm

Ragnarok wrote:
ALIHISGREAT wrote:Although i presume the 'victim' woul dknow they were being suffocated?

No, the method has them completely unconscious within seconds, then they just slowly suffocate in their sleep. It actually requires no equipment whatsoever, but I've probably already said too much, so I'll stop.


:lol: yeah all it takes is for someone to have a bad day and bam there is an unconcious body lying on the floor slowly suffocating, i wouldn't trust me with that knd of knowledge :wink:
  • 0

User avatar
ALIHISGREAT
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 1779
Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:47 pm
Location: UK
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:38 pm

I wouldn't trust me with that knowledge either, god knows what the person who told me how to do it was thinking.
  • 0

Does that thing kinda look like a big cat to you?
User avatar
Ragnarok
Chief of Staff
Chief of Staff
 
Posts: 5339
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:23 am
Location: The UK
Reputation: 8

Unread postAuthor: LikimysCrotchus5 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:44 pm

@ Rag That kindof freaks me out :shock:

but it doesnt surprise me. Some one can be paralyzed if you know where to hit them, and possibly kill.

Our body has too many weak, vital areas. I think we are going to evolve again into a more "armored" homosapien.

*CAUTION* Natural Selection, and Survival of the fittest at play. :)
  • 0

4SPC, My 4" piston 3" porting cannon
Memo:
Fix up copper cannon
Fix up 4SPC
Start Stirrup pump
Start Toolies piston bazooka
User avatar
LikimysCrotchus5
Brigadier General
Brigadier General
 
Posts: 1100
Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:16 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Solar » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:38 am

Actually there is a case where a pepperball hit a girl in the eye socket and caused her death. Not sure if the capsicum oleo resin is heavier than a normal fill or not.
  • 0

User avatar
Solar
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 512
Joined: Tue May 17, 2005 11:53 pm
Country: United States (us)
Reputation: 11

Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:04 am



Victoria Snelgrove under the safety section, a pepper spray round put a hole through the bone behind her eye.
  • 0

User avatar
Hotwired
Lieutenant General
Lieutenant General
 
Posts: 2599
Joined: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:51 am
Location: UK
Reputation: 0

PreviousNext

Return to Pneumatic Cannon Discussion

Who is online

Registered users: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Yahoo [Bot]

Reputation System ©'