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Another Sprinkler Valve Problem

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Unread postAuthor: pbpenguin5 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:49 pm

Ok i have the right kind 3/4 sprinkler valve modded to what i believe is correct. Everything works perfect, until i shoot it.

the valve opens so slowly that the pressure is greatly reduced and the projectiles might as well fall out of the barrel.

The only other problem i can think of is that i built the cannon with a stock, but the gas runs throughout the stock as well, which might be making the flow of the pressurized gases run awkwardly.

If that is the problem, how would i seal off an already glued stock?

And if not, what's wrong with my valve? ( i used the blowgun mod)

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Unread postAuthor: jr » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:56 pm

cam you post a pic? or describe the fitting sequence....

when you pressurize the chamber does it bleed of?
does the stock change diameter?
is the valve flow in the correct direction?



I have had a similar problem with a stock sprink!!!!!
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:59 pm

Some pictures or diagrams would be helpful. Is there enough flow through your blowgun, and did you remove the guide rod?
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Unread postAuthor: pbpenguin5 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:16 pm

there wasn't a guide rod i don't believe,

it's not leaking at all, it's just not dumping the air all at once like a normal ball valve does on simpler cannons.

i'll post pictures as soon as i can, i usually post in school, like right now :lol:

and the stock is joined by a T fitting, one to the stock, one to the pressure chamber, and one to the barrel. I'm thinking the air is traveling into the chamber and stock, then conflicting at the T fitting to escape.
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Unread postAuthor: jr » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:33 pm

just because there is a T fitting in the chamber shouldn't matter...

what is the gauge reading are you sure there is enough pressure?
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Unread postAuthor: BigGrib » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:42 pm

In my opinion, you either have yourself too small of a reservoir nad too big of a pilot volume that you end up venting most of your chamber before the pilot volume is exhausted enought to open the valve, but since you said the stock is part of the chamber too, you should have enough chamber volume.

Did you dissassemble the valve and clean it all out?? that might be a problem too.
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Unread postAuthor: DVLCHLD » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:24 pm

The inside diameter of the path that the air has to go through must be the same or larger than the input port on the sprinkler valve. So, since you're using a 3/4" sprinkler valve everything between the valve and the air resevoir must be at least 3/4" so that it doesn't restrict the air flow.
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Unread postAuthor: pbpenguin5 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:51 am

It's 1in all the way through the chamber and the stock is 3/4 so that's not a problem

on the issue of the valve, what exactly do i clean out?
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Unread postAuthor: elitesniper » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:05 pm

i think your chamber is too small
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Unread postAuthor: pbpenguin5 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:23 pm

elitesniper wrote:i think your chamber is too small


I got the idea for this of instructables.com with a guy who made a very similar sniper with a lesser size chamber that sent C02 cartridges like bullets.

my problem is the air isn't escaping simultaneously
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Unread postAuthor: elitesniper » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:29 pm

oh never mind your chamber is fine i didnt see the pics
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Unread postAuthor: dewey-1 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:27 pm

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Unread postAuthor: fireman565 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:29 pm

pbpenguin5..

Same problem I was having... your mod is hendering the movement of the diaphragm AND what dewey-1 said above, valve is in wrong direction...lol

On top of the valve, you seem to have the threaded 3/8" fitting tightened down to the nut, which would leave a few threads showing on the underside of the valve top. It that's the case, the extra threads are restricting the diaphragm from opening all the way. Either back the fitting out until the threads are flush with the inside of the top, file a couple of threads off of the fitting so where you can actually tighten the fitting back down tight, and/or mod the white tip in the center of the diaphragm. I filed threads off and filed down the center tip down to almost level with the actual diaphragm. Works great now.

EDIT: You will have to apply a small amount of epoxy to the top to seal off the small hole that runs through the plastic piece in the diaphragm.

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Unread postAuthor: DVLCHLD » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:33 pm

Your air chamber is designed OK and it's plenty big enough. How much air pressure are you puting into it? Also, there's a small drain hole in the exit port of the sprinkler valve. It should be right there inside the 3/4" threaded hole. Be sure that hole is plugged up with epoxy. Just a thought. Also, Make sure the sprinkler valve isn't backwards. There's arrows on it to show the direction of flow. The blow nozzle your using may have a rubber tip on it that is too small to let enough air out to allow the diaphram in the sprinkler valve to pop-up. The blow nozzle itself may be too small. You have to let a good amount of air out of the top of the sprinkler valve quickly. Also, It doesn't matter if you have a guide rod or not. I've used sprinkler valves with and without guide rods and they all work fine.
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Unread postAuthor: dinsdale » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:47 pm

i agree with fireman, you are probably blocking the movement of the diaphragm with you're blowoff. i have the identical valve on my cannon, and it works great as long as pressure is high enough, below 100 psi it doesn't seem to open as fast
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