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Doing some testing, Soon.... updated 02-10-2009..Damage pics

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:09 am

Have a look at this post

Basically, for a 1 inch barrel, the piston only needs to move back 1/4 of an inch for maximum performance, anything more is wasted air.

Pilot volume is defined as the volume behind the piston when the piston is closed. In a perfect world, when the piston is fully open, it should be zero.

The logic is simple really, for a pilot valve with a given flow, the smaller the pilot volume, the quicker the air is going to empty, therefore the piston moves back quicker.

It isn't a hard and fast rule though as there is such a thing as piston bounce however, have a look at this discussion.
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Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:41 pm

Cool, thanx for those links. I guess it's time to start filling in some of the pilot's "dead space", and cut down on piston travel a hair....
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Re: Update, not a double post, too many pics for an edit...

Unread postAuthor: starman » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:58 pm

jeepkahn wrote:It inverted the order of my pics, sorry...


Yeah the attachment facility built into Spudfiles is bad about that. Hosting your files at a place like Imageshack makes things a lot easier to deal with when posting. Use the "direct link" they provide.

Not a bad coax effort...your sawn reducer, barrel stand-off looks a little familiar... :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:15 pm

starman wrote:
jeepkahn wrote:It inverted the order of my pics, sorry...


Yeah the attachment facility built into Spudfiles is bad about that. Hosting your files at a place like Imageshack makes things a lot easier to deal with when posting. Use the "direct link" they provide.

Not a bad coax effort...your sawn reducer, barrel stand-off looks a little familiar... :wink:


LOL, I figured I wasn't the first...

We need to try to put together a Southeast SpudJam...
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:11 pm

jeepkahn wrote:We need to try to put together a Southeast SpudJam...


I think the toughest part is finding the shooting location. If we can come up with that, then it's just a matter of deciding on a date and inviting...maybe come up with some games and lots of damage opportunities.

I'll check around some in my area and see what I can come up with. I'll see if there are some standard shooting ranges that might accommodate us.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:31 pm

LOL you have got some very nice posters on the wall :wink:
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Re: Update, not a double post, too many pics for an edit...

Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:12 pm

starman wrote:
jeepkahn wrote:We need to try to put together a Southeast SpudJam...


I think the toughest part is finding the shooting location. If we can come up with that, then it's just a matter of deciding on a date and inviting...maybe come up with some games and lots of damage opportunities.

I'll check around some in my area and see what I can come up with. I'll see if there are some standard shooting ranges that might accommodate us.


I've got a 65 acre farm as well as another 40 that I lease, I've got a friend with a grass airstrip beside me, and we have a half mile of clear firing line backed by even more safe wooded land if we shoot beyond a half mile, and if you can get your trajectories right, We can shoot safely into a field from 1 to 1.5 miles....

We need video and chrony if someone has access...

P_S Thanx, I wondered if anyone would notice... :D

UPDATE!!! 1-24-2009:

I filled in a lot of dead space in the pilot volume area, and made a better "oneway" gasket for the piston, installed a 1/2" ballvalve to see if it would fire better, charged it to 40 psi dry, fired beautifully,filled to 85 psi(the line pressure where I work), fired beautifully... loaded a GB wrapped in kleenex, charged to 85 psi, at an angle of about 10 degrees I fired it into the woods 150 yds away... Couldn't even see the ball until it started cutting limbs off trees... YEEHA!!! And i don't even have my qev yet... I'm thinking maybe I'll use the qev on a new project since this is working so well with the ball valve... We'll see...

Also took sections of motorcycle innertube and stretched them over the fittings, this serves 2 purposes,1. a little bit of safety in case something cracks, and 2. to protect the fittings and joints from impacts from transportation and storage.... I'll post pics later... I'm also going to triple wrap the entire gun in black cloth duct tape....
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:48 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:LOL you have got some very nice posters on the wall :wink:


No workshop would be complete without them :)

We need video and chrony if someone has access...


An F1 chrony is great and less than 100 of your finest American dollars, a worthwhile investment ;)
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Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:46 pm

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
POLAND_SPUD wrote:LOL you have got some very nice posters on the wall :wink:


No workshop would be complete without them :)

We need video and chrony if someone has access...


An F1 chrony is great and less than 100 of your finest American dollars, a worthwhile investment ;)


BTW, thanx for pointing me in the direction of sorting out the pilot volume and piston travel, sometimes I read faster than my brain can assimilate what I'm reading... :wink:

As soon as I get a day off when the temps over 40f, I'll let you know how well it sends stuff downrange, It seems like the weathers nice until my day off and then BAM, Cold Front..lol...
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:15 pm

jeepkahn wrote:
starman wrote:
jeepkahn wrote:We need to try to put together a Southeast SpudJam...


I think the toughest part is finding the shooting location. If we can come up with that, then it's just a matter of deciding on a date and inviting...maybe come up with some games and lots of damage opportunities.

I'll check around some in my area and see what I can come up with. I'll see if there are some standard shooting ranges that might accommodate us.


I've got a 65 acre farm as well as another 40 that I lease, I've got a friend with a grass airstrip beside me, and we have a half mile of clear firing line backed by even more safe wooded land if we shoot beyond a half mile, and if you can get your trajectories right, We can shoot safely into a field from 1 to 1.5 miles....

We need video and chrony if someone has access...

P_S Thanx, I wondered if anyone would notice... :D


65 acres + 40 + grass airstrip + safe wooded land sounds wonderful to me. My HD still-camera takes pristine photos and actually takes decent videos. I don't have a chrony but might invest in one if no one else has one. If we could set it up where the sun is behind us, it would make for the best time seeing, videoing, photographing...or ideally an overcast day.

It might be a little bit of a trip for our Ga contingent but you never know, we might attract some from who knows where. Let's talk it up some more. Mid-spring maybe before it gets too hot?
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Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:25 am

starman wrote:
jeepkahn wrote:
starman wrote:
jeepkahn wrote:We need to try to put together a Southeast SpudJam...


I think the toughest part is finding the shooting location. If we can come up with that, then it's just a matter of deciding on a date and inviting...maybe come up with some games and lots of damage opportunities.

I'll check around some in my area and see what I can come up with. I'll see if there are some standard shooting ranges that might accommodate us.


I've got a 65 acre farm as well as another 40 that I lease, I've got a friend with a grass airstrip beside me, and we have a half mile of clear firing line backed by even more safe wooded land if we shoot beyond a half mile, and if you can get your trajectories right, We can shoot safely into a field from 1 to 1.5 miles....

We need video and chrony if someone has access...

P_S Thanx, I wondered if anyone would notice... :D


65 acres + 40 + grass airstrip + safe wooded land sounds wonderful to me. My HD still-camera takes pristine photos and actually takes decent videos. I don't have a chrony but might invest in one if no one else has one. If we could set it up where the sun is behind us, it would make for the best time seeing, videoing, photographing...or ideally an overcast day.

It might be a little bit of a trip for our Ga contingent but you never know, we might attract some from who knows where. Let's talk it up some more. Mid-spring maybe before it gets too hot?


I'll post a topic in general spud discussion to see if we can get the ball rolling...
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Not a kick or double post, update w/damage pics 02-10-2009

Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:58 pm

Finally had some nice weather so I got to poke holes in stuff...

Note the captions with the pictures...
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this is my sideyard and shhoting gallery... the crest of the hill where you see the farthest phone pole is .258 miles, all my golf balls went well beyond that when fired at about a 15 degree angle, I'm pretty sure they ended up in the pond 300 yds beyond the hill, cause they ain't been found...
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this is the 7/8" hardened waterproof plywood target. the big holes are either golf ball or 2"long sections of 1.5" dowel, or 2.5" pieces of 2" dowel...
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this is my backyard from the recieving angle... the table is 50' from the plywood.
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entry wound from blow dart after it passed through the plywood.
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plywood exit wounds from blowdarts...
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entry wounds from blowdarts... the lower hole is the one that also penetrated the barrel...
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the blowdarts, 1/4" steel rod 4" long, sliced up rubber tube as a flight, and a 1.5" long x 1" diameter wood "sabot", with a 1/4" hole 1/2" deep, the rubber feathers are folded forward when loaded.... the sabots also work great for arrows.... I went to my long range area(not pictured) and at a 25degree angle the arrows are way into the woods, never found them... blowdarts and arrows were fired from my small coax...125psi
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top view of the plywood, 7/8" hardened waterproof, concrete forming plywood used for place casting concrete walls....
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from the left, my GB gun, my modular toolie valve gun and short 2" barrel, the 2.5" tennis ball barrel, the 1.5" barrel, my personal coax 1" barrel 2" chamber, coax I made for a coworker ( check out his bike pump accesory, 40 pumps=55psi, he uses it indoor with a target trap and superbounce balls), and my 2-piece conduit and coupler ramrod....

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Unread postAuthor: jonnyboy » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:05 pm

You have a nice range there. What exactly is picture 12?
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Unread postAuthor: jeepkahn » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:08 pm

more pics....

All shots were with 100 to 125 psi...
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3oz. lead shot bean bag load, an old sock, 3oz of shot, tie a not and wrap in tape, check out the pice of 2x10, it also punched holes through the plywood, I just had to keep repairing the tape, when fired at 30 degree angle it landed past the crest of the above mentioned hill...
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the dents are :deepest was bean bag, the others are GBs..
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6" piece of 1.5" wooden dowel opened it like a can opener...

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Unread postAuthor: starman » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:57 pm

That's some nice shootin' there Jeep. I'm ready for that Spudjam...looks like you've got the space for it.
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