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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:34 pm

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Demon wrote:... I actually have some footage of a stupid kid not respecting safety measures :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhcJWxMU ... L&index=11

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Holy crap that vid's EPIC. Lol

Hubb wrote:Please explain to all of us why you felt so inclined to put your finger into the barrel? I've been trying to think of a legitimate reason all day and just can't do it. In fact, the ONLY reason I could think of is that you were trying to imitate Looney Tunes.


My gun is acting wierd... The only way for my piston to move was to plug the barrel so I just used my finger...don't ask why... and plop, I feel the rubber washer on my finger :P


Firearm safety is not a joke, nor is it a subject of humor. I don't understand the "lol" and the smiley. :? Is it simply immaturity?? Trying to be "cool"??

I think that you're taking the matter entirely too lightly, and it would be best if you either START taking it VERY seriously, or take up another hobby.

Before someone (likely yourself) gets hurt.

My .02
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Unread postAuthor: Demon » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:02 pm

Firearm safety is not a joke, nor is it a subject of humor. I don't understand the "lol" and the smiley. Is it simply immaturity?? Trying to be "cool"??


I actually laughed when the guy said "dont look at it!" in slow-motion ...
We got close to have another frog man ...

Is it me or the ignitor is on the cap of the spudgun? This is as unsafe then the pcp airgun with pressure regulator on top of pressure cylinder, inline with the barrel ...

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Unread postAuthor: Gun Freak » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:06 pm

Yeah, having the igniter on the end is not smart. And no, I'm not trying to be cool, but you seem to be trying yourself.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:39 am

Trying to impress upon you that your current safety practices...aren't.

Well...have fun then. What's next on your list of spudding adventures...nail darts? Steel penetrator rounds?

Hope you don't have any accidents with those, they'll likely hurt more than a piece of rubber eh?

In my time on this forum, I've read about guys just like you...having ad's (accidental discharge) with marbles at high pressure...in the house. I've seen a guy load a canon, look down the barrel then walk around to the rear and discharge it. All captured on his video and posted by him. He later claimed it was not loaded, but the video evidence proves otherwise.

There are others I'm sure, but those two stick in my mind for some reason.

But it's all good right? You KNOW what you're doing...don't ya.

Those guys thought so too. :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: Gun Freak » Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:26 am

I've read that before. Pretty epic :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: Big-E » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:13 pm

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Firearm safety is not a joke, nor is it a subject of humor. I don't understand the "lol" and the smiley. :? Is it simply immaturity?? Trying to be "cool"??

I think that you're taking the matter entirely too lightly, and it would be best if you either START taking it VERY seriously, or take up another hobby.

Before someone (likely yourself) gets hurt.

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I laughed when I saw the video; I simply find stupidity amusing. Maturity be damned.

Especially after the guy off camera tells him not to look down the barrel. stupid is as stupid does.

And remember, Gippeto, sometimes accidents happen when you are following all the safety precautions anyways. When you are launching projectiles out of any device, the potential for grievous bodily harm or death is always present. Precautions are only there to help minimize that risk.

When I was building my stirrup pump, my dremel tool's grinding stone got chipped, the tool slipped in my hand, and my hand got cut. I laughed afterwords, mostly because It was only a minor injury; Laughter is a natural human response to release stress after any traumatic situation. It's a proven scientific fact.

If people couldn't laugh at the occasional tragedy, humanity would probably still be living in caves banging rocks together. We can't progress without risk, and we cant take risks without being able to find the humor in the perils involved with that risk. Sure, you may say it's immature, but honestly, maybe you're taking it too seriously. After all, you weren't there to wag your finger at the kid and say, "No, no, don't do that... You'll shoot your eye out!" Maybe he'd be better off if you were, but you weren't, so all a person can do is either laugh at their stupidity or sigh in disbelief.

Honestly, did the people involved at Trinity give much thought to safety when they developed the a-bomb? You might think so, but knowing what we know nowadays about nuclear fission, they did some pretty stupid things to make Fat Man and Little Boy a reality.

All that aside, I agree that firearms safety is a big deal, but we can't control who gets involved with a firearm, or if they're competent enough to handle them. People can be absent minded, and accidents happen. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but almost always preventable.

It's not a matter of maturity, it's all in the perception of the individual.

All this assumes Gun Freak has learned his lesson regarding pneumatics. If you have to block the barrel from now on, use a barrel plug or something other than your finger. Common sense, man.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:42 pm

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And remember, Gippeto, sometimes accidents happen when you are following all the safety precautions anyways. When you are launching projectiles out of any device, the potential for grievous bodily harm or death is always present. Precautions are only there to help minimize that risk.


All that aside, I agree that firearms safety is a big deal, but we can't control who gets involved with a firearm, or if they're competent enough to handle them. People can be absent minded, and accidents happen. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but almost always preventable.

It's not a matter of maturity, it's all in the perception of the individual.


I'll ask you to think about this;

At what point SHOULD safe practices be encouraged or even demanded?

Is promoting LESS than safe practices a good thing? How is that so?

Do safe practices have an impact on the frequency or severity of genuine accidents?

I think everyone should think about this;

Are you promoting safe practices?

Review safe practices and compare them with what you're actually doing...have you become complacent?

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Unread postAuthor: Big-E » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:26 pm

Okay, so now I have two cents and the ball is in my court. I'll bite...

Do I promote safe practices? you bet your ass I do. I have kids, so it's a no-brainer. Do my kids always follow the rules? hell no. Do they sometimes get hurt because they don't follow the house rules or listen to my advice, you bet they do. It's the human condition, and all we can do is try to give guidance. you can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink, as the saying goes.

Both my brother and I engineer drag cars and race them. Safety isn't just an afterthought, it's mandatory, otherwise our cars wouldn't pass tech inspection.

Safe practices should be encouraged always, and only be demanded when you are in the position to make demands, and, you sir, are in no such position.

Is promoting less than safe practices a good thing? I dunno, why don't you ask any soldier in the middle east that question, I'm sure they'll have some choice answers for you. There are many times that unsafe practices aren't only promoted, in fact, they are demanded of people, and at times people are honored for it (like when a soldier throws himself on a grenade... Not a safe practice, but done on initiative for a higher purpose) I think you are putting up a strawman argument here who's answer can only be rhetorical and speculative.

Do safe practices have an impact on the frequency or severity of genuine accidents? More often than not, yes. Once again, common sense. A reduction of harm is not the same as an absence of it.

Let me ask you a question now, even with safe practices enforced, how many people get injured or killed on the job? I'll give you a hint: it's greater than zero.

You seriously need to lighten up. Berating a person and calling them immature isn't going to make him follow precautions, if anything, it will drive him away. Lots of people had concerns about my check valve on my pump, but they didn't call me a moron, they just advised me, and I took it to heart. I also asked for feedback on my pump with this in mind. I'm always open to criticism, and if there's a safety concern, I take it to heart, on my own initiative, and not just because some fool on a web forum told me to. Common sense, some people have it, others don't.

If you're a shop foreman, you can get away with talking to your employees like that, but on an internet forum, it's a different kettle of fish. Your heart may be in the right place, but your way of expressing your views isn't going to help your cause.

Nothing is wrong with promoting safe practices, getting people to evaluate their safety schema is a good idea, but trying to force it upon people, in a voluntary hobby on a voluntary forum just makes you look like a control freak.

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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:57 pm

Perhaps I have over done it, I don't honestly know anymore. That's just how I feel about it.

I'll drop it now.
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Unread postAuthor: Gun Freak » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:55 pm

Cheers to the Big-E :D Gippeto, if those are your thoughts, then I respect them. But don't rain death on an innocent 13 year old :)
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Unread postAuthor: Big-E » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:13 am

No prob Gun Freak, but at the same time, you should listen to Gippeto's warnings. He may have been harsh; but he just wants people to be safe out there. I don't blame him. If you look at his builds, you can tell he knows what he's doing.

If you have any doubts regarding something you're doing, just ask the users on spudfiles first; It'll save you some headaches and possible injury.

Also, some adult supervision would be a good thing in this hobby; My oldest son is 12, and even though I've let him shoot some of my airguns and spudguns before, I always supervise him when he does. If you end up getting injured while working solo on one of your projects, I doubt your parents would be keen on allowing you to continue building them.

Just something to think about.

And Gippeto, I know how you feel; I don't mean to come down on you for wanting to promote safety, but at the time; I thought you were being pretty harsh. I hope I didn't offend you, because that wasn't my goal. You raised some excellent points, and I agree that everyone should definitely consider if their practices are safe or not.

I guess it wasn't the message you had so much as the way you delivered it that got me fired up. Please forgive me for acting like a douchebag in this regard.
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:36 pm

Don't sweat it E, I don't do "whipped puppy". :lol: The "conversation" was spiraling downward, and was best cut off.

You did what you believed to be the right thing. So did I.

I think we both know that anything anyone could say on a forum is far less damaging than what his co-ax (or a firearm) can do.

Time will tell if Mr gunfreak changes his habits, I sincerely hope he does.

If it happens again....let's hope it doesn't.

No hard feelings E, just honest ones. :)

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