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350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QEV.

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Using 350psi on a 150psi rated Quick Exhaust Valve

Unread postAuthor: ham_machine » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:42 pm

I have spent quite a few days looking through the web at different QEV's, for any alternatives or recommendations. I do not want to build one, I would like to buy one. However, from what I have seen for sale on the internet, most of the QEV's have very low pressure ratings for what I want. I will be using 350psi (which is quite a bit more than the 150psi rated valve).

I understand that some people have put these valves way beyond their pressure rating, (they have used them up to 600psi). Now I want to know whether or not this is a silly thing to do, has anyone had any experience with this? Surely It has a 150psi rating for a reason? I am always extremely cautious with pressure.

I read on another topic that it is better to use a milled QEV than a cast one. Does anybody else agree with this? Most of them are from hongkong/china, so look a bit dodgy in the quality. My main concern is safety, I have built a 350psi cannon before, but never used a QEV.

This subject may have been mentioned before, but with the high pressures - there are no second chances, and that is why I want to guarantee my safety first my asking anyone out there with experience.
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Re: Using 350psi on a 150psi rated Quick Exhaust Valve

Unread postAuthor: fenrir » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:08 pm

It's ok to use 350 psi. The worst thing that could happen would be the diaphram getting blown out.
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Re: Using 350psi on a 150psi rated Quick Exhaust Valve

Unread postAuthor: ham_machine » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:25 am

fenrir wrote:It's ok to use 350 psi. The worst thing that could happen would be the diaphram getting blown out.



Do you think it will be safe to use a sliding valve to pressures of 350psi?

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350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QEV.

Unread postAuthor: ham_machine » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:43 am

Does anybody out there think it is safe using 350psi on a 150psi rated sliding valve, or on a 150psi rated QEV? Increasing the pressure will no doubt decrease the lifespan. I heard the diaphragm will fail first on the qev. What about the sliding valve?

Will there be any leakages on either of these, if I were to use 350psi??

I want my gun to work at 500psi, so I know it will work safely at 350psi.

Please write whether it is safe or not, so I can decide if I will use it.

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Re: 350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QE

Unread postAuthor: Ianbuckwell » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:41 pm

I use around 300psi on a QEV made by Parker rated at 100-150psi(can't remember which) and it has been absolutely fine, I took it apart as thought I had killed it, but found it was my fault as a blob of solder had gotten into it stopping it from sealing, I checked the rubber diaphragm and it was in perfect condition. I have a cheap blue Chinese slide valve from Ebay and its worked fine apart from once when an o ring partially came out, but if I remember correctly this was when I accidentally went over 300psi by a fair bit. I guess quality and tolerances vary between items and manufacturers so when first using them I started off at around 100psi and slowly increased as I became more confident, I wouldn't say it was safe to do this and may be a good idea to wear eye protection as at the end of the day you are using pressures higher than the items are rated at so better safe than sorry.
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Re: 350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QE

Unread postAuthor: Zeus » Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:24 pm

I've taken that style of QEV, a 1/4" one, up to 700PSI, at least 100 times now. It'll be fine. I've taken a few of the square QEVs in 1/2" up to the same a few hundred times, no failures at all. Slide valves are very low wear items, the O rings aren't exposed to large areas of pressure, keep them lubricated with an O-ring safe lubricant (remember oil and silicone lube destroys latex kids ;-) ), and you'll be fine.

I swear we have these 'can I use my QEV at x pressure' threads every few months.
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Re: 350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QE

Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:32 pm

I swear we have these 'can I use my QEV at x pressure' threads every few months.

You mean every few week or day, the fact we have two active thread about the same matter at the moment :lol: It's good people nowadays worry about pressure ratings but back in my day, I just test it myself :D
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Re: 350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QE

Unread postAuthor: Brian the brain » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:50 pm

I merged the two identical topics...


and by the way..The QEV should work above it's rating.
However...with a projectile in the barrel, a piston failure will result in an unexpected launch.
Not pretty.

The slidevalve might seeze up under the extra load making it impossible to move by hand.
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Re: 350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QE

Unread postAuthor: ham_machine » Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:07 pm

Thanks guys for the feedback! Think I will take the risk and use 350psi. Has anyone ever experienced a QEV failing, when the diaphragm blows out?
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Re: 350psi on 150psi rated sliding valve and 150psi rated QE

Unread postAuthor: Brian the brain » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:13 pm

Not me personally..I have had a pilotvalve develop a leak resulting in an unintended launch.

I believe it is quite common among British spudders to add a ballvalve between the QEv and the barrel as a safety.
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