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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:37 pm

I prefer pistons, diaphragms stress the rubber more and need to be replaced, not something I can do with a cartridge sealed in epoxy.

No equalisation holes, the piston isn't meant to be 100% airtight.
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Unread postAuthor: iknowmy3tables » Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:37 pm

I think schraders suck as pilots in general, a larger area wouldn't be that much force push, schraders are pretty easy anyways, it will be less a blowgun,

with my experience in using mini pneumatics, pistons like to get stuck in their position, commercial application almost always use diaphragm based designs over pistons and they hardly need to be replaced
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:21 am

iknowmy3tables wrote:with my experience in using mini pneumatics, pistons like to get stuck in their position, commercial application almost always use diaphragm based designs over pistons and they hardly need to be replaced


I've probably made more mini-piston launchers than anything else and in my experience if made well they're very reliable.
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Unread postAuthor: SPG » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:00 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote: I prefer to use "conventional" short projectiles like pellets and cut down on the pilot volume, here's a design I've been pondering with a solid rubber piston. The pilot volume is increased (no, I'm not high or anything :P) but this should be offset by the fact that dead space is almost zero compared to the original design.


I'd always assumed in your other design further up the page that the projectile would be just in front of the piston (and have next to no deadspace) like a standard coaxial.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:22 am

SPG wrote:I'd always assumed in your other design further up the page that the projectile would be just in front of the piston (and have next to no deadspace) like a standard coaxial.


I figured the projectile would be at the mouth of the cartridge, the thought of it having already accelerated before jumping the gap between cartridge and barrel led to visions of shattered breeches that I wasn't comfortable with, however if everything is aligned there's no reason why that shouldn't work.

I just got a quote for the screw attachment for the burst disk, 12 euros - not terribly expensive but that works out at 120 euros (around $180 US for those across the pond) for the 10 cartridge batch I was planning. Nothing I can't afford, but the power had better be worth it. I'll have one made for now to see what sort of potential the idea has and move from there. Piston cartridges would be cheaper, but involve a lot more work to make and are more prone to failure, while the burst disk would have no moving parts.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:37 pm

Ok, time to give this idea another go.

Same coaxial design but with a simpler design using a solid rubber piston and taking advantage of having HPA on tap. I have 9mm I/D brass tubing that will make a good body for the cartridge, it should make it easy to keep things concentric and I'm going to try and use the higher strength blue Araldite instead of my usual marine epoxy. At around 3" overall length and 3/8" diameter it will be smaller than a loaded 0.303" rifle cartridge, so in terms of "realism" it should be spot on. GGDT predicts reasonable power at 800 psi, and hopefully there will be enough power to cycle a straight blowback mechanism.

If it works, I hope to make something looking like a cut down rifle, along the lines of the M1 Garand from Hellsing (here's looking at you, Brian ;) )

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I'll start working on this tomorrow, watch this space :)
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Unread postAuthor: SPG » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:50 pm

So now you are jumping the gap? :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:52 pm

SPG wrote:So now you are jumping the gap? :wink:


Is that all it took to bring you out of the woodwork :P :D

It's the HPA that's the clincher, it gives me the hope that the blowback will work :)
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Unread postAuthor: SPG » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:59 pm

I know, long time no type. I got sidetracked into building up a Citroen 2CV 4x4 (and thank god given the snow falling outside, and also a plywood canoe and a couple of longbows. Oh and a woman may have had something to do with it to.

4187 new posts to read. I wonder if there's anything good?
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:05 pm

SPG wrote:I know, long time no type. I got sidetracked into building up a Citroen 2CV 4x4 (and thank god given the snow falling outside, and also a plywood canoe and a couple of longbows.


Sweet, I was contemplating a Lomax kit but bought a Landy in the end :)

Oh and a woman may have had something to do with it to.


Ah, we've all been there. Good luck!

4187 new posts to read. I wonder if there's anything good?


There should be a few gems in between the n00b queries...
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Unread postAuthor: SPG » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:08 pm

Years ago I went out with someone who had a Lomax, was sweet in an ugly sort of a way (and so was the car).

Should focus on your thing cartridge really, shouldn't I? Looks good though, hope it works, then when you've perfected it I can make hundreds and make an electric belt fed gatling.

In the mean time still working on the repeating BB hybrid.
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Unread postAuthor: USGF » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:19 am

SPG wrote: Looks good though, hope it works, then when you've perfected it I can make hundreds and make an electric belt fed gatling.

JSR,

We'd help make thousands of these :twisted:

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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:24 am

USGF wrote:We'd help make thousands of these :twisted:


Trust me Pete, I have a bit of development work planned, pending those results I'll definitely be submitting a few proposals to you and Mike ;) good luck with your own efforts in the meantime.

Here's the prototype before I glue it all together:
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Unread postAuthor: JDP12 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:10 am

What's all the white stuff on the tubing?

Also... Is the barrel the piece on the left?

It seems to big but maybe i'm just not scaling it right in my head
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:44 am

JDP12 wrote:What's all the white stuff on the tubing?


Instead of adding sealing discs, I cut masking tape into thin strips and rolled it around to make sure things remained centred. Sorry about the poor quality photos, my digital camera's buggered and I'm using my cellhpone.

Also... Is the barrel the piece on the left?

It seems to big but maybe i'm just not scaling it right in my head


Yes, the body is 9mm I/D and the "barrel" is 5.5mm I/D.

Here's the finished article next to a 0.303" rifle cartridge for comparison:
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