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Unread postAuthor: Matheusilla » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:35 am

LOL, that would be amusing, a lead cannon! Maybe I should just clarify, just in case. I have nothing against ANY plastic. I smoke, I drive a car, eat fast food... If I die it'll probably be from a combination of those types of things, not solely the siding on my house or a vinyl music collection. We all know that we live in a more or less polluted world and it is not just one pollutant specifically at fault, it is all of them together.
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Unread postAuthor: iknowmy3tables » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:43 am

your right it is really bias
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Unread postAuthor: Pilgrimman » Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:35 pm

I'm reminded of a Simpsons episode where Marge gets one of her baby magazines. One of the articles is entitled "The Deadly Truth About Oxygen". This article is just as laughable.
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Unread postAuthor: subterranean » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:18 pm

Environmental Injustice

PVC plants are disproportionately located in low-income communities and communities of color, making the production of PVC a major environmental justice concern.


am i not understanding that correctly or is that bias and offensive
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Unread postAuthor: PVC Arsenal 17 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:23 pm

fork that crap. PVC's in everything. I handle something made of PVC everyday... and I'm normal. (well actually, that's debatable)
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Unread postAuthor: dongfang » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:43 pm

Hi,

PVC really is an obsolete, environmentally dangerous material... especially the soft variety. Fortunately, we don´t use that so much ;)

When PVC burns, it releases chlorine gas that immediately combines with hydrogen to form HCl (Hydrochloric acid), which then dissolves in the water used to put out the fire. Result: All machinery in the room where the fire was, no matter if far away from the fire, becomes candidate for expensive repairs or scrapping.

PE and PP are better, but they require welding. If somebody could come up with an inexpensive way to do that, I´d abandon PVC now. Or, for that sake, something to cement it as easily as PVC.

In Europe, you don´t see PVC all that much any more - PP it becoming the material of choice.

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Unread postAuthor: MisterSteve124 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:34 pm

They will stop using pvc when they stop using gasoline for cars. They use hundreds of feet for just about every house that's made nowadays.
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Unread postAuthor: paaiyan » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:55 pm

MisterSteve124 wrote:They will stop using pvc when they stop using gasoline for cars. They use hundreds of feet for just about every house that's made nowadays.


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU">Well, actually...</a>
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:24 pm

That is hilarious! :D

I love it!

It's biased tripe.

Sure PVC isn't the best chemical composition.And it surely doesn't produce nice chemicals when burned or produced, but then again, neither does that brand new Prius that the environmental nuts are so happy to force down everyone's throat(I wonder how much vinyl is used in that car?).I wish the enviro-nuts would actually take a look at what they are saying.
DDT is supposedly the worst pesticide around(hyped up),tell that to all the parents in the third world who have lost children to Malaria because they weren't allowed to spray DDT in a effort to control the mosquito population.No,I'm not saying lets burn every chemical possible in an effort to pollute the environment. I just wish people would actually be smart about saving the earth.Common sense is a wonderful thing.
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Unread postAuthor: Pilgrimman » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:27 pm

Water should be banned. You can get heavy water out of it. It absorbs neutrons. Any kid with half a brain could make nuclear weapons if they have all this water sitting around!
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Unread postAuthor: paaiyan » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:28 pm

Pilgrimman wrote:Water should be banned. You can get heavy water out of it. It absorbs neutrons. Any kid with half a brain could make nuclear weapons if they have all this water sitting around!


Hahahaha! I love you, I hadn't even though of D2O. That's awesome.
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Unread postAuthor: Pilgrimman » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:40 pm

Thanks! :D

Seriously, this "everything is dangerous" crap bugs me. I mean, really. Anything is poisonous if you breathe/inject/eat to much of it! I'm more at risk of dying from excessive fast food consumption than I am from solvent fumes, PVC, or any "dangerous" plumbing product. If your baby dies from these sorts of things, you probably aren't a great parent to begin with! :D
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Unread postAuthor: mike1010 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:27 am

that cartoon was really really cheesy and on top of that they act like its the worst thing ever as bad as lead paint. some crappy news report claimed all plastics leech chemicals into your body and food but really?
just because we know the way certain things can be dangerous doesn't mean that they need to be banned. before we knew certain things were harmful people weren't just suddenly dropping dead of plastic poisoning or any of that other crap, and on the invironmental thing people are idiots an environmental group burned a hummer dealer to prove a point and it supposedly released more toxins that if each car had been running for 1000 years straight. smooth real smooth, nice planning green peace :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: TurboSuper » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:00 am

goathunter wrote:That is hilarious! :D

I love it!

It's biased tripe.

Sure PVC isn't the best chemical composition.And it surely doesn't produce nice chemicals when burned or produced, but then again, neither does that brand new Prius that the environmental nuts are so happy to force down everyone's throat(I wonder how much vinyl is used in that car?).I wish the enviro-nuts would actually take a look at what they are saying.
DDT is supposedly the worst pesticide around(hyped up),tell that to all the parents in the third world who have lost children to Malaria because they weren't allowed to spray DDT in a effort to control the mosquito population.No,I'm not saying lets burn every chemical possible in an effort to pollute the environment. I just wish people would actually be smart about saving the earth.Common sense is a wonderful thing.


Haha, seriously. I also loved that Live Earth concert...they use enough juice to power a small neighbourhood on lighting alone, and all the artists flied in in fancy private jets. Hippocracy much?

But ack on topic, the amount of plastic that leeches into your food has proven to be extremely small, if not not-existant. I'd say eating McDonald's crap regularly is a million times worse than handling PVC regularly.
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Unread postAuthor: Matheusilla » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:15 am

What about birth defects and stuff? Surely lead paint, PVC, McDonalds and DDT cannot be held accountable for that? People are saying that these things won't kill us, I say they already have.
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