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Unread postAuthor: spanerman » Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:41 pm

woow rag, that must of taken a fir while. The main thing i dislike about this site is the over exaggeration of the ranges..i mean if i bought it expecting it to do 250y i would be pissed off if it only did 100
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Unread postAuthor: ammosmoke » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:25 pm

This thread wasn't necessarily made to thrash the website. Only to suggest changes. There are some improper practices/construction techniques going on, and we don't want any accidents to harm the spudding hobby. Its not just about the website and/or business. Its about all of us. If something happens because your company improperly does something, its going to cast all of us into a bad light. None of us want that, so that is why we are a little touchy on this.
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Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:28 pm

No need for anything drastic... at least let him reply first.

Also, A good point to bring up now is:

Stephen, would it really kill you to just use a 4x2" reducing bushing, drill through two layers, and take our advice as to what information you disclose to your customers?

If you did, this type of thing wouldn't happen.
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Unread postAuthor: couchquail » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:36 pm

Novacastrian wrote:This could be a good opportunity to make a S*&^load of cash.
Buy un-regulated cannon, fake a blow up (or wait till it does blow up), then contact the retard that sold it to you and tell him you will sue if he does not fork out $3 million in cash!


this is illegal in the US.

as is this
Killjoy wrote:Weird, I was thinking the exact same thing. If we got a bunch of people to do it, we could start a fund for "the advancment of spud technology".
And I have to wonder if he even tests his cannons since he is still alive.


yet another very illegal thing
benstern wrote:Yes, my original process of changing his contructuion tecqunices were to become progessivley worse.
1) my email
2) email from 10 spudders
3) call his home phone
4) email from 50 spudders
5) DDOS the site


and if he has not broken the law this is complete bullsh1t
ammosmoke wrote:@MaxuS Alerting the police I'm afraid would only make matters worse. More bad press for spudding. You just know they would twist it saying that it was because spudguns just aren't safe, and thats why the company should be shut down. We all know this isn't true, but what does that mean to the media? Nothing. They will destroy an entire hobby just to make a little extra cash. Such scum, such scum...



while his standards are not up to this community's he has not done anything illegal that you know of. each one of the above quotes can be used against in a lawsuit. just because you are hiding on the internet doesn't mean you are above the law.

right now he has a better legal case against the above members than they against him. if his business is 100% legal and he is insured he should be talking to his lawyer right now about the above threats.

PCGUY should be taking appropriate actions to further himself from the above members. you know like deleting their posts and accounts.


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Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:39 pm

Couchquail:

Thank you for being a voice of reason in an otherwise chaotic thread.

You might want to remove that middle paragraph though :)
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Unread postAuthor: couchquail » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:39 pm

benstern

posting an address online is usually over the limits of most forums
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:50 pm

couchquail wrote:as is this
Killjoy wrote:Weird, I was thinking the exact same thing. If we got a bunch of people to do it, we could start a fund for "the advancment of spud technology".
And I have to wonder if he even tests his cannons since he is still alive.


How is that illegal?


This is another case of America thinking they have jurisdiction throughout the world. piratebay.org anybody Even if he did take legal action, which i'd doubt because it'd cost him more then it's worth, he wouldn't be able to charge anyone with anything because we haven't done anything.

Also we have some members like me in other countries, meaning your laws don't mean anything here. All that guy could do is ask us to stop calling his home(if we did) and then file for a restraining order or something to legally stop us from bothering him.

I also don't see how this is bullcrap:

ammosmoke wrote:@MaxuS Alerting the police I'm afraid would only make matters worse. More bad press for spudding. You just know they would twist it saying that it was because spudguns just aren't safe, and thats why the company should be shut down. We all know this isn't true, but what does that mean to the media? Nothing. They will destroy an entire hobby just to make a little extra cash. Such scum, such scum...


I'm afraid it's true, that is a possibility, if you had been around here long enough you would've seen all the news articles etc.

What does the guy have against us except for online threats which i'd doubt will hold up in court, the only way we could 'nail' this guy would be for one of his cannons to blow up in a customers hands, as bad as that sounds, saying he sells unsafe cannons wouldn't really hold up in court much either.


Also no accounts or posts will be deleted, but I do ask you guys to make your emails (if you send any) as professional and spud related as possible, don't go off task with it and harass the guy. Also no hacking of his site and leave his private life alone guys, we just want to help him fix things.

Anyone remember SpudGunExtreme? 700yards with a sprinkler valve guy, well after that incident I've been emailing the guy non-stop, we've gotten to know each other a bit and i've been helping him with a few of his new cannons he wants to market, give this guy a chance to turn it around.
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Unread postAuthor: cajuncannon » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:34 pm

Well guys, I'm joining your thread. I must say I'm quite disappointed with the way things have turned. Reading your posts has been quite interesting, helpful, and even educational. I've already recommended that 4x2 bell reducers be replaced with a coupling/bushing setup. I want to do some tests with the fitting/pipe overlap before we adjust that portion of our designs. What I WILL NOT do is accept any form of harassment that is being talked about in this forum. Posting my family's address and telephone number is completely out of line. I request that it is removed. Anyone who wants to communicate about cannon designs is more than welcome to email me at info@cajuncannons.com. I'd love to hear your input, and I'd love to get to know each one of you. I no longer live at the address listed above, and I no longer use the phone number above. I do, however, have family members living at that address who have NOTHING to do with Cajun Cannons. Leave them be. Contact ME. After some of the recent remarks, I'm not yet willing to give out my current address or phone number, but I am most certainly willing to communicate via email as mentioned above. Let's all grow up a little bit and try to learn from each other. I truly appreciate your feedback, and I look forward to forming relationships with you. Once this thread calms down, I will be thrilled to bounce ideas back and forth with you. Thanks again for your concern.

Sincerely,
Steve Frantz
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Unread postAuthor: couchquail » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:35 pm

mrcrowley

had you read the post you would of noticed



Novacastrian wrote:This could be a good opportunity to make a S*&^load of cash.
Buy un-regulated cannon, fake a blow up (or wait till it does blow up), then contact the retard that sold it to you and tell him you will sue if he does not fork out $3 million in cash!


this is illegal in the US.
this is extortion or insurance fraud if an insurance company paid off the settlement of a lawsuit.


as is this
Killjoy wrote:Weird, I was thinking the exact same thing. If we got a bunch of people to do it, we could start a fund for "the advancment of spud technology".
And I have to wonder if he even tests his cannons since he is still alive.

this is conspiracy and insurance fraud


yet another very illegal thing
benstern wrote:Yes, my original process of changing his contructuion tecqunices were to become progessivley worse.
1) my email
2) email from 10 spudders
3) call his home phone
4) email from 50 spudders
5) DDOS the site

in this type of situation calling his home phone is harassment
DDOS is illegal in most countries, you do know what that is?


and if he has not broken the law this is complete bullsh1t
ammosmoke wrote:@MaxuS Alerting the police I'm afraid would only make matters worse. More bad press for spudding. You just know they would twist it saying that it was because spudguns just aren't safe, and thats why the company should be shut down. We all know this isn't true, but what does that mean to the media? Nothing. They will destroy an entire hobby just to make a little extra cash. Such scum, such scum...

in this situation the members here are creating the bad press with the above examples. it is not the media hyping this.

while you're not a US citizen many members are and the laws do apply to them. if you had committed any one of the above criminal acts while you were here in the US, the laws would still apply to you.




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Unread postAuthor: spanerman » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:46 pm

None, of those things have been done, so therefor no crimes have been commited, Get over yourself :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:47 pm

couchquail wrote:as is this
Killjoy wrote:Weird, I was thinking the exact same thing. If we got a bunch of people to do it, we could start a fund for "the advancment of spud technology".
And I have to wonder if he even tests his cannons since he is still alive.


I was meaning a fund for the advancement of spudgun technology isn't illegal, it's just that no one would donate.

couchquail wrote:yet another very illegal thing
benstern wrote:Yes, my original process of changing his contructuion tecqunices were to become progessivley worse.
1) my email
2) email from 10 spudders
3) call his home phone
4) email from 50 spudders
5) DDOS the site

in this type of situation calling his home phone is harassment
DDOS is illegal in most countries, you do know what that is?


Yes I know what DDOS is, I didn't say it wasn't illegal, my post didn't even refer to that, please read more carefully.


couchquail wrote:
ammosmoke wrote:@MaxuS Alerting the police I'm afraid would only make matters worse. More bad press for spudding. You just know they would twist it saying that it was because spudguns just aren't safe, and thats why the company should be shut down. We all know this isn't true, but what does that mean to the media? Nothing. They will destroy an entire hobby just to make a little extra cash. Such scum, such scum...


in this situation the members here are creating the bad press with the above examples. it is not the media hyping this.


He was saying if we publically complained about this guys company, it'd do more harm then good for us because the media would twist the story, it's true, we're not doing anything wrong, just keeping this hobby safe.

couchquail wrote:while you're not a US citizen many members are and the laws do apply to them. if you had committed any one of the above criminal acts while you were here in the US, the laws would still apply to you.


If you had committed a crime while in NZ same to you, but the thing is i'm not in the US so I cannot be trialled in the US under a US court and US law.

Even if I did commit a crime while in the US, as long as i'm in NZ you couldn't do anything unless your government did a piratebay.org tactic and threatned my government to hand me over, which wouldn't happen and unless I broke a NZ law i'd be fine.

Please read my post more carefully, I didn't quote BenStern or Novacastrian in my post and that has nothing to do with what I said.

I know what Nova said would be illegal but that was a joke, i'm sure everyone realised that.

I also said not to harass the guy in my post, I wasn't agreeing with Benstern, hell I didn't even mention him in my post, if your going to quote me, don't paraphrase me and don't bring in stuff I didn't say.
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Unread postAuthor: BigGrib » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:52 pm

Dude ease up grumpy, all this is as far as I am concerned is talk. I haven't seen any posts with numbers and addresses and all that stuff. I do agree that looking at the pictures of what he has been selling look unsafe. I don't care about if he is lying about the performance of the guns I am concerned with safety first and foremost. Everyone just needs to chil out. We need to see more in depth pictures of these guns and see that they are in fact built safely. Period
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:52 pm

Couchquail, though I very much agree with some of your points, Killjoy didn't cross any legal boundary I can think of with that.

It was a harsh comment on the quality of the launchers, but it wasn't a death threat, or expressing a wish of death.
...Unless setting up a fund for advancing spudguns is illegal.

The media has always been harsh on spudguns. There are enough stories going around the news sites where someone blew themselves up (Ryan Meerdink - although his device was far from a spudgun, that's not how the news took it), blinded themselves (Daniel Berry, the infamous Frogboy, so called because of the projectile chosen), and a few others.

There are some people out there, through lack of thought, intoxication, or sheer stupidity who will injure themselves with a spudgun. It might be because of poor construction, ill use or both.

We're not solely concerned for the users of products from Cajun Cannons - if one of those cannons was to fail, not only could "Steve" be driven out of a job by media frenzy, but our hobby would be put at huge risk.

A few simple, exceedingly cheap, even free, changes to the cannons would not only help safeguard the customers, but the business, and the hobby.

@Spanerman: Not as nearly long as you might think.
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Unread postAuthor: cajuncannon » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:58 pm

I appreciate the removal of my contact info. If you'd like to communicate further, please email me. Thanks again, guys!

Steve
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:35 pm

[/spudgun seller harassment]

A spudgun fund would be a bit tricky to implement anyways. It's not hard to design a more advanced cannon it's just the machinist bills that are the main drawback.

So it would be more like a fund to pay for people to construct suitably interesting spudguns.

On that subject, if anyone fancies being the financial backer for a semi-auto 14mm cannon... :D
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