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Unread postAuthor: schmanman » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:43 pm

I can dream, cant I? :wink:

I like putting holes in things..... :D
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:58 pm

So what about my idea, it would be 100% fair. Whose ever cannon you like the most, vote for.
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:15 pm

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schmanman wrote:hmmm, what about most devistating to the target?

In other words, most powerful, or highest ft/lbs of muzzle or projectile energy.

Which completely excludes people who live in towns, or don't have the money or space to build something like the SWAT, FEAR or the SCTBDC.

And again, that also needs accurate velocity measurements, which most people can't do.


We can always factor in scale, a 6mm BB giving barbie a free belly piercing could be classed as equivalent to a 3" beastie ripping a new catflap in a door :wink:

Categories of size would be needed to prevent insane comparisons such as above though.
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Unread postAuthor: bigbob12345 » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:40 pm

MrCrowley wrote:So what about my idea, it would be 100% fair. Whose ever cannon you like the most, vote for.




I think that is a great idea it would be a little unfair because everyone would vote for the huge cannons but it would be a fun contest so my vote is for that idea.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:23 pm

Not necessarily, some like small over large, some people may base it on aesthetics, etc.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:44 am

MrCrowley wrote:Not necessarily, some like small over large, some people may base it on aesthetics, etc.

If the criteria were just "pick the one you like", I'd personally follow something like last time, and vote on what I think most advances spudding.

That's a bit different to most innovative, but it's what I most try for in my launchers.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:53 am

Yeah there you go, see someone else might vote on a different criteria. This way the competition is open to practically everyone and can't be judged unfairly.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:19 am

The fact that my pengun (still the smallest coaxial pneumatic ever?) got to second place last time around is an illustration that it's not all about size and sheer power.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:30 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:The fact that my pengun (still the smallest coaxial pneumatic ever?) got to second place last time around is an illustration that it's not all about size and sheer power.

It's about making stereotypical spy weapons? :wink:

I'm sure it could kill if used in similar fashion to the Umbrella Gun.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:34 am

Yes, JSR's pengu(i)n proves the point just fine, although was it not automatically entered in the semi-finals because it was the only mini?

It sort of had a bit of an advantage in that respect I suppose - my next idea (assuming the competition is sufficently soon) will probably have to enter the mini category, so if Mr JSR tries a mini again, he'll have at least some competition.
If he doesn't, then that will just make it easier for me...
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:00 am

MrCrowley wrote: I'm sure it could kill if used in similar fashion to the Umbrella Gun.


If you had to make a high pressure 4.5mm calibre mini that would fit into the length of an umbrella with similar power to this KGB "lipstick gun", it wouldn't need ricin, it could kill by pure kinetic energy it it hit a vital area - but such discussions are beyond the scope of this forum. People have been killed by sub-12 ft/lb airguns in the UK for example, something only becomes a weapon if you chose to use it as such, and I'm glad to note that spudfiles members indulge in their creations without malicious intent, purely for the sake of research and the joys of blowing holes in stuff :D

so if Mr JSR tries a mini again, he'll have at least some competition.
If he doesn't, then that will just make it easier for me...


What I have in mind at the moment is far from being a mini, so you're safe in that category ;) ultra-minis are cute and all that, but the potential for damage is correspondingly tiny and we can't have any of that in JSR's arsenal :D
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Unread postAuthor: Spitfire » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:36 am

Hows about Fastest round? All entries must be submited with their results etc.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:41 am

Spitfire wrote:Hows about Fastest round? All entries must be submited with their results etc.

Again, that requires a chronograph, and honesty.
It is also very heavily biased by who uses the highest pressures, or builds a hybrid.

It's not possible to do anything where the projectile speed needs to be known accurately as part of the competition.
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Unread postAuthor: bigbob12345 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:33 am

MrCrowley wrote:Not necessarily, some like small over large, some people may base it on aesthetics, etc.


That is true also I think that would be a really good simple competition.
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Unread postAuthor: Hotwired » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:14 am

Design is far easier to judge than actual performance.

I'd go for innovation personally. Innovation meaning something that could not be cut and pasted over any existing cannon without any practical differences.

It would be nice to see more ventures into the world of non-standard bits on the ends of piping and unfettered imagination.

A cannon that gets drowned in questions of "whats that bit" or "how did you manage that" from non-newbies is the kind of cannon that should be aimed for.

I feel competitions should have the aim of pushing entrants to be more creative.
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